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hello and welcome to the show

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i'm martin willis your host and we have

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an interesting

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one for you this evening my guest is

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irene previn

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and uh i was actually lucky enough to

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meet her back

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in september 2019 when i was out in

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and she was traveling with a whole group

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of people from

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australia and it's uh the victorian ufo

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action i believe that's what it's called

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i just asked her a few minutes ago i

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should know no

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anyway uh we are going to be talking

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about some

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really interesting cases in australia

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some of them

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you may have heard of and i think

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there's going to be some that you've

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never heard of i

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i hadn't heard of a one in particular

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that we're going to be talking about

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this

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is just a little bit different for you

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lucky youtubers because um

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she has given me uh irene's given me a

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number of images

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and a couple of video clips to show you

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this um evening

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while we're live on youtube and um

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so i will try to link some of the images

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to the show notes too for

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the people listening to just the audio

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of this show so if you head on over to

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podcastufo.com we have our weekly blog

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as usual by charles

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lear this one is called pilots and

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planes

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swallowed by the ufo he always puts some

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interesting titles and one of those

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uh one of the topics in that blog he's

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gonna he does talk about is the

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frederick

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valentic uh case in which we will touch

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uh with our guest uh well before i

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forget next week i'm going to be sort of

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heading into the rabbit hole a little um

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i actually invited him on the show years

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and i had i think it i had to

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um have surgery at the time so i had

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someone cover for me and they couldn't

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get the tech together

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anyway it crashed uh he got a little

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and i hadn't heard from him again but uh

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i have heard from him recently because

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he has a new book out

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and we're going to be talking about that

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uh whitley next week we're going to be

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um and then uh resume the show and half

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we'll be taking calls and if you'd like

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all that often so anyway i do i will

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i want to thank you so much i could not

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do this show

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without you and it's time for me to

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welcome to the show irene hello

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how are you hello yes and you're in

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you're in the future i said that with

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paul dean

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um the last time i had him on a few

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weeks ago you you are tomorrow

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so we know that we will make it through

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tomorrow you're 10 o'clock in the

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morning over there and you're

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six o'clock yeah wednesday and we're

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so uh thank you for joining us i really

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uh had

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the uh utmost uh pleasurable time

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talking to you out

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in phoenix it was it was a great uh i

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loved your group i loved hanging out

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with your group

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fun people thank you it was fun to meet

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you too and it was fun to um

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see all of the people that we'd been

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australia has something like 25 or 26

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yet they are they are like the second

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most listening to this show

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um when i go through the analytics it's

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um it's united states first and it's

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or i believe the uk and back and forth

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between australia and the uk that listen

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to the show it's pretty amazing for a

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a ton of people in it so what is the

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in australia i think because we have

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desert a drought of ufo information

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unless it's translated so um the united

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for people that um do or either have

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which only i was only um

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some mental health issues or were on

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some mind-altering substances

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culture there that your feelings of it i

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mean the reason you felt that way

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from a job and until recently you'd

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very uncomfortable if you admitted it

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um new age basket perhaps or not quite

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the lunatic basket but you know you're a

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spontaneously meet a person and then

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have you ever seen a ufo or had an

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experience or strange experience in your

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and it's surprising the number of people

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people that you wouldn't even expect or

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imagine that would admit to such a thing

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yeah since uh i've said this on the show

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the new york times article came out

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the fringe element and i feel more

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comfortable talking about it now

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and i was just involved like last

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uh two weeks ago i submitted some

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anything right now i'm just about ready

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to go live on a

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stream so the person there said well

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what kind of live stream what do you do

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and i said uh well uh uh it's ufos

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and i believe they're listening tonight

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they listen to other shows

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and hello uh laura yeah

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because of that has that had any direct

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situation where the new york times

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australia pay attention to that type of

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um okay we're having a

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little circle of friends a couple of

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journalists um

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is it a commission or a broadcast

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um which is very conservative and very

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um careful and very um scientifically

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um organisation um excellent

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tv radio station to listen to because of

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cover a little bit they just poke at it

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but um match um the journalists

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interest in this topic

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and he keeps on wanting to cover it a

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lot more

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but they're very careful i think the

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editors are very careful that

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um the information is thoroughly

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fact-checked and

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and it's sort of like they have to from

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what i perceive that they have to see

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that

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the whole world is reporting on it first

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especially

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the um more conservative media outlets

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in the united states before they will

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touch it and even i don't know that they

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they they may have covered the the tic

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tac thing

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um yeah i think they did they they

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covered it um

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but it was probably it took about six

305
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months a year

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more for them to actually cover it after

307
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it came out in the united states

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so typically it would take

309
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at least a year or more for them to to

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roll around to australia

311
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so there you go so i know we're going to

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be talking about some cases someone

313
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already wants to know something i'll

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post that up in a minute but

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uh i know we're going to be talking

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about some

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uh you know well-known cases and then a

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couple of unusual cases

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during the show my question to you is uh

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so what happens to the person

321
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that has a extraordinary ufo

322
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incident and they go to talk about it

323
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what happens to those people where do

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they go

325
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oh nowhere there's nowhere since um

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project blue book in the 1960s

327
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um the um climate has

328
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in in the in the mainstream sort of um

329
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awareness has just generally been really

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squashed

331
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i mean for example i don't know whether

332
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we should talk about this now or later

333
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but

334
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um with the westall witnesses um there's

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i

336
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get a chance to look at that

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but it's a an article from a magazine

338
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called women's day

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um and where

340
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three of the witnesses the western

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witnesses are interviewed ah yes here we

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are

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and one of the ladies pam i've actually

344
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never seen her before

345
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um but she's never come to anything

346
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um because she was she was saying in the

347
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article that she's never spoken publicly

348
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about the incident

349
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uh she hadn't had never even been back

350
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to the

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place that it occurred which is called

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the grange

353
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and um when she told her father about it

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at age 15

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he laughed at her and told us she was

356
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lying she then

357
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um wanted to commit suicide at age 17.

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she was hospitalized she was given shock

359
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treatment

360
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um and she yeah she just she

361
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i think she oh yeah she even said that

362
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she didn't even tell her husband and her

363
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five children until recently

364
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oh my god wow this is really typical

365
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um and unless unless you're sort of

366
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mingling in new age circles where

367
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there's a lot of openness

368
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and people encourage speaking about this

369
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sort of stuff if you're one of the

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regular citizens a soul of the earth

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type person a mainstreamer

372
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there's no way you'll be talking about

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this it's only very recently and

374
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especially since

375
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york times article

376
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a lot of people still haven't even read

377
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that but especially since the tic tac

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time came out

379
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and still there's a lot of ignoring of

380
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it or you know people are not aware of

381
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it if you say

382
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have you heard about the chit chat

383
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incident it's sort of like oh yeah i'll

384
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look at it later

385
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this is an amazing and amazing admission

386
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if not an amazing event but an amazing

387
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admission

388
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and to anybody who's not looked at any

389
00:14:07,350 --> 00:14:04,560
ufo stuff at all

390
00:14:08,629 --> 00:14:07,360
to just see that and to see the data

391
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collected and how the

392
00:14:12,710 --> 00:14:11,199
military are taking it very seriously or

393
00:14:14,389 --> 00:14:12,720
very open about taking it seriously

394
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they've always taken it seriously

395
00:14:21,509 --> 00:14:18,399
as we know um yeah just the responses

396
00:14:25,750 --> 00:14:24,150
to say the least well let's backtrack

397
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just a little bit because um

398
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you you mentioned earlier when we

399
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started that at first you thought you

400
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know people had

401
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issues basically that were interested in

402
00:14:36,629 --> 00:14:34,000
this topic

403
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until you found out there were uh mass

404
00:14:39,829 --> 00:14:37,199
witness

405
00:14:41,030 --> 00:14:39,839
sightings so let's talk about what is

406
00:14:44,710 --> 00:14:41,040
the change from you

407
00:14:46,949 --> 00:14:44,720
that was like the average person in your

408
00:14:48,069 --> 00:14:46,959
australian society i guess that thinks

409
00:14:50,949 --> 00:14:48,079
it's a french topic

410
00:14:52,629 --> 00:14:50,959
and how did it hit you on the head to

411
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make you uh

412
00:14:56,710 --> 00:14:55,040
look into it that's a very good question

413
00:15:00,470 --> 00:14:56,720
i'm glad you've asked

414
00:15:01,350 --> 00:15:00,480
um i was living in my hometown of

415
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adelaide and

416
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i'm a freelance graphic designer um i've

417
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that's what i've done all my life my

418
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whole career so

419
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i'm a creative person i'm an artist

420
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so i was looking around for a new

421
00:15:16,389 --> 00:15:15,360
project to take on and there was one in

422
00:15:18,470 --> 00:15:16,399
melbourne that interested

423
00:15:20,069 --> 00:15:18,480
me greatly and that was to help run a

424
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community magazine

425
00:15:24,550 --> 00:15:22,959
um it was a six-month contract and so i

426
00:15:26,389 --> 00:15:24,560
thought okay i'll hop over the border

427
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and and you know resettle here for a

428
00:15:29,110 --> 00:15:27,600
little while and and

429
00:15:31,110 --> 00:15:29,120
do this project because i think it'll be

430
00:15:33,030 --> 00:15:31,120
quite fun and while we were

431
00:15:34,069 --> 00:15:33,040
brainstorming with the participants in

432
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the project

433
00:15:38,230 --> 00:15:35,759
um somebody mentioned that they would

434
00:15:40,150 --> 00:15:38,240
like to have a column on ufos like i

435
00:15:41,509 --> 00:15:40,160
have a ufo report regular

436
00:15:43,350 --> 00:15:41,519
and i thought haha that's really

437
00:15:45,590 --> 00:15:43,360
hilarious that's really quite funny

438
00:15:46,790 --> 00:15:45,600
that could be you know great with you

439
00:15:48,629 --> 00:15:46,800
know um

440
00:15:50,870 --> 00:15:48,639
we could have wonderful drawings and

441
00:15:52,949 --> 00:15:50,880
pictures and paintings of ufos

442
00:15:54,629 --> 00:15:52,959
included and it would be just quite

443
00:15:56,150 --> 00:15:54,639
whimsical and hilarious

444
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and then somebody pulled me up and said

445
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well actually haven't you heard of the

446
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westall

447
00:16:03,110 --> 00:16:02,240
incident and i said no what what's that

448
00:16:06,310 --> 00:16:03,120
about

449
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and um this person quite seriously told

450
00:16:10,629 --> 00:16:07,519
me that

451
00:16:11,430 --> 00:16:10,639
this was a mass sighting about 250

452
00:16:13,350 --> 00:16:11,440
people

453
00:16:15,030 --> 00:16:13,360
many of them school children but many

454
00:16:16,230 --> 00:16:15,040
members of the western community saw it

455
00:16:20,790 --> 00:16:16,240
as well

456
00:16:23,749 --> 00:16:20,800
um saw a ufo that visited a school

457
00:16:24,069 --> 00:16:23,759
and so they pointed me in the direction

458
00:16:26,150 --> 00:16:24,079
of

459
00:16:27,269 --> 00:16:26,160
the excellent documentary that rosie

460
00:16:29,269 --> 00:16:27,279
jones made

461
00:16:30,629 --> 00:16:29,279
which featured shane ryan as the

462
00:16:33,829 --> 00:16:30,639
investigator

463
00:16:36,949 --> 00:16:33,839
so i sat down and watched that and i was

464
00:16:37,910 --> 00:16:36,959
um pretty much blown away but before

465
00:16:40,550 --> 00:16:37,920
that

466
00:16:41,590 --> 00:16:40,560
just prior to coming over to melbourne

467
00:16:44,629 --> 00:16:41,600
you know

468
00:16:46,470 --> 00:16:44,639
being an internet surfer i would like to

469
00:16:47,030 --> 00:16:46,480
look up different topics to expand my

470
00:16:48,870 --> 00:16:47,040
mind

471
00:16:50,470 --> 00:16:48,880
you know to inspire myself for my

472
00:16:53,509 --> 00:16:50,480
artwork or whatever

473
00:16:56,150 --> 00:16:53,519
and i did at one point do a

474
00:16:56,710 --> 00:16:56,160
search on whether there were any um

475
00:16:59,910 --> 00:16:56,720
people

476
00:17:01,590 --> 00:16:59,920
studying the ufo topics seriously

477
00:17:04,390 --> 00:17:01,600
because when you do a quick search all

478
00:17:04,789 --> 00:17:04,400
you see is the the weird new age stuff

479
00:17:07,350 --> 00:17:04,799
which

480
00:17:07,829 --> 00:17:07,360
i really couldn't relate to at the time

481
00:17:09,669 --> 00:17:07,839
and

482
00:17:11,829 --> 00:17:09,679
i wanted to see if there were any

483
00:17:14,230 --> 00:17:11,839
scientific you know

484
00:17:14,870 --> 00:17:14,240
things done in a methodical manner in

485
00:17:18,230 --> 00:17:14,880
the study

486
00:17:20,549 --> 00:17:18,240
of collection of data about ufos

487
00:17:23,350 --> 00:17:20,559
and i did find um somebody in my

488
00:17:25,350 --> 00:17:23,360
hometown who is actually known

489
00:17:27,270 --> 00:17:25,360
over the world keith basterfield an

490
00:17:30,470 --> 00:17:27,280
excellent researcher who

491
00:17:31,990 --> 00:17:30,480
he approaches as a skeptic but not a

492
00:17:35,430 --> 00:17:32,000
debunking skeptic but as

493
00:17:38,310 --> 00:17:35,440
a somebody who will genuinely look at

494
00:17:39,710 --> 00:17:38,320
whether it's uh the sighting is

495
00:17:41,029 --> 00:17:39,720
somebody's imagination or a

496
00:17:42,870 --> 00:17:41,039
misidentification

497
00:17:45,750 --> 00:17:42,880
or actually there's something unusual in

498
00:17:49,909 --> 00:17:45,760
it and he has uncovered a lot of cases

499
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where he's eliminated the mistake aspect

500
00:17:55,590 --> 00:17:53,039
and focused on you know the

501
00:17:56,870 --> 00:17:55,600
the unusualness of it so i think he's

502
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somebody worth looking at

503
00:18:00,870 --> 00:17:58,559
so i thought actually it's really

504
00:18:03,110 --> 00:18:00,880
frightened me when i looked at his cases

505
00:18:04,950 --> 00:18:03,120
and i saw not only were there cases in

506
00:18:08,630 --> 00:18:04,960
the neighborhood that i was growing up

507
00:18:11,350 --> 00:18:08,640
at the time i was growing up but that

508
00:18:12,390 --> 00:18:11,360
there are scientists seriously

509
00:18:14,549 --> 00:18:12,400
investigating this

510
00:18:17,029 --> 00:18:14,559
topic that really fronted me because i

511
00:18:19,350 --> 00:18:17,039
thought oh my god this is probably real

512
00:18:20,870 --> 00:18:19,360
and i put it out of my mind oh that's

513
00:18:22,950 --> 00:18:20,880
andrew arnold

514
00:18:24,630 --> 00:18:22,960
and he's interviewing oh i don't know

515
00:18:27,029 --> 00:18:24,640
who he's interviewing

516
00:18:29,029 --> 00:18:27,039
okay that's keith basterfield oh that's

517
00:18:31,909 --> 00:18:29,039
keith masterfield oh god i don't even

518
00:18:34,470 --> 00:18:31,919
recognise him see i've never met i've

519
00:18:37,190 --> 00:18:34,480
only i've only talked to him on email

520
00:18:37,990 --> 00:18:37,200
and um he's a good friend of or he uh

521
00:18:40,230 --> 00:18:38,000
talks to

522
00:18:42,630 --> 00:18:40,240
my friend james rigney quite a bit

523
00:18:44,549 --> 00:18:42,640
especially about the wilson documents

524
00:18:46,230 --> 00:18:44,559
so he's done a lot of digging and

525
00:18:48,390 --> 00:18:46,240
uncovering there to

526
00:18:49,270 --> 00:18:48,400
establish whether the wilson documents

527
00:18:52,630 --> 00:18:49,280
are uh

528
00:18:55,430 --> 00:18:52,640
truthful or real or not so anyway

529
00:18:57,190 --> 00:18:55,440
keith basterfield um even even though

530
00:18:57,510 --> 00:18:57,200
he's from my hometown i've never met him

531
00:18:59,350 --> 00:18:57,520
and i

532
00:19:00,950 --> 00:18:59,360
have a great deal of admiration for him

533
00:19:02,310 --> 00:19:00,960
anyway moving on from keith basterfield

534
00:19:05,350 --> 00:19:02,320
back to the project

535
00:19:08,470 --> 00:19:05,360
um and what brought me to westall um

536
00:19:10,470 --> 00:19:08,480
the project was um the the

537
00:19:12,390 --> 00:19:10,480
we were working in an area which was

538
00:19:13,110 --> 00:19:12,400
very close to the site of the westall

539
00:19:15,430 --> 00:19:13,120
incident

540
00:19:16,950 --> 00:19:15,440
and so i took my team and we went down

541
00:19:19,909 --> 00:19:16,960
and visited the site

542
00:19:22,390 --> 00:19:19,919
and we discovered that these um the the

543
00:19:23,029 --> 00:19:22,400
local council has created a playground

544
00:19:26,950 --> 00:19:23,039
with a

545
00:19:28,789 --> 00:19:26,960
ufo like a kids play

546
00:19:31,510 --> 00:19:28,799
equipment there it is and that's judith

547
00:19:35,669 --> 00:19:31,520
mcginnis from

548
00:19:38,150 --> 00:19:35,679
geelong who's also an investigator

549
00:19:39,110 --> 00:19:38,160
in the geelong area you know she's a

550
00:19:42,310 --> 00:19:39,120
she's great

551
00:19:45,830 --> 00:19:42,320
so that play equipment was put there to

552
00:19:47,110 --> 00:19:45,840
mark um the spot not the exact spot that

553
00:19:51,350 --> 00:19:47,120
the ufo landed but the

554
00:19:53,669 --> 00:19:51,360
the just to um as a remembrance for the

555
00:19:56,630 --> 00:19:53,679
fact that it happened to mark the place

556
00:19:57,510 --> 00:19:56,640
and what's remarkable about westall

557
00:20:00,310 --> 00:19:57,520
interestingly

558
00:20:00,950 --> 00:20:00,320
is we went down to the place and i found

559
00:20:03,830 --> 00:20:00,960
that

560
00:20:05,669 --> 00:20:03,840
it's a very unremarkable place it's like

561
00:20:08,149 --> 00:20:05,679
sakura new mexico i found

562
00:20:10,070 --> 00:20:08,159
when we visited that place there was

563
00:20:12,350 --> 00:20:10,080
nothing remarkable about it

564
00:20:13,990 --> 00:20:12,360
yeah i've heard that it's

565
00:20:15,590 --> 00:20:14,000
unremarkability

566
00:20:17,350 --> 00:20:15,600
at the time that it happened i think

567
00:20:19,190 --> 00:20:17,360
shayna has already covered this with

568
00:20:21,830 --> 00:20:19,200
your previous um podcast

569
00:20:23,510 --> 00:20:21,840
that it was an area a semi-rural area on

570
00:20:26,870 --> 00:20:23,520
the fringes of the suburbs

571
00:20:30,070 --> 00:20:26,880
and with market gardens

572
00:20:32,149 --> 00:20:30,080
and now it's just fully suburban

573
00:20:34,230 --> 00:20:32,159
no market gardens and just that park and

574
00:20:35,190 --> 00:20:34,240
then you know not too far away from the

575
00:20:38,950 --> 00:20:35,200
school

576
00:20:39,510 --> 00:20:38,960
so um okay so to find out that there

577
00:20:42,710 --> 00:20:39,520
were

578
00:20:46,390 --> 00:20:42,720
so many people that had seen

579
00:20:46,950 --> 00:20:46,400
the same thing really turned my thinking

580
00:20:50,310 --> 00:20:46,960
around

581
00:20:51,590 --> 00:20:50,320
and i thought okay i would like to meet

582
00:20:54,470 --> 00:20:51,600
these people

583
00:20:57,669 --> 00:20:54,480
so the 50th anniversary rolled around

584
00:21:01,110 --> 00:20:57,679
and i didn't see anything on facebook or

585
00:21:02,950 --> 00:21:01,120
anywhere that was going to mark the

586
00:21:05,990 --> 00:21:02,960
event and so i thought okay

587
00:21:09,350 --> 00:21:06,000
um i'll invite people to a picnic

588
00:21:10,310 --> 00:21:09,360
um so i put out a public notice on

589
00:21:13,110 --> 00:21:10,320
facebook

590
00:21:14,789 --> 00:21:13,120
and extended the invitation to the

591
00:21:16,230 --> 00:21:14,799
witnesses and anybody else who's

592
00:21:18,789 --> 00:21:16,240
interested in coming

593
00:21:20,630 --> 00:21:18,799
and so we had a little barbecue and i

594
00:21:23,909 --> 00:21:20,640
remembered the day distinctly it was

595
00:21:27,270 --> 00:21:23,919
um raining it was

596
00:21:29,270 --> 00:21:27,280
a light drizzle and i was

597
00:21:31,270 --> 00:21:29,280
not sure that anybody would show up and

598
00:21:33,270 --> 00:21:31,280
i had a t-shirt printed up with westall

599
00:21:36,870 --> 00:21:33,280
on it so that people could identify

600
00:21:41,190 --> 00:21:36,880
me you know at least as somebody who was

601
00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:41,200
the point of contact and

602
00:21:46,549 --> 00:21:44,880
i met the witnesses and also

603
00:21:48,950 --> 00:21:46,559
what impressed me about these people was

604
00:21:52,230 --> 00:21:48,960
that this story had not changed

605
00:21:53,350 --> 00:21:52,240
after 50 years the type of person that

606
00:21:55,510 --> 00:21:53,360
they were they were not

607
00:21:57,590 --> 00:21:55,520
hippie new ages or freaks or drug

608
00:21:58,149 --> 00:21:57,600
smokers or alcoholics or anything like

609
00:22:00,710 --> 00:21:58,159
that

610
00:22:03,350 --> 00:22:00,720
they were salt of the earth people and

611
00:22:06,230 --> 00:22:03,360
they were not looking for this encounter

612
00:22:07,990 --> 00:22:06,240
um they hadn't probably had any kind of

613
00:22:11,270 --> 00:22:08,000
other encounters after that

614
00:22:12,390 --> 00:22:11,280
that's colin he's great he was on the

615
00:22:15,350 --> 00:22:12,400
oval

616
00:22:17,909 --> 00:22:15,360
when um and i think the the slide you

617
00:22:20,310 --> 00:22:17,919
showed previously he was showing um

618
00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:20,320
us where he saw it he was playing

619
00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:21,360
cricket

620
00:22:25,190 --> 00:22:23,120
and he was pointing where it was

621
00:22:26,230 --> 00:22:25,200
hovering the the silver saucer that he

622
00:22:28,630 --> 00:22:26,240
saw was offering

623
00:22:30,870 --> 00:22:28,640
just above the power lines so if you can

624
00:22:32,630 --> 00:22:30,880
imagine him

625
00:22:34,230 --> 00:22:32,640
one of the things i know that i had

626
00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:34,240
shane ryan on this

627
00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:36,240
show a while back and we talked about

628
00:22:41,029 --> 00:22:38,720
this story but i think we should also

629
00:22:41,830 --> 00:22:41,039
approach this not to get into too many

630
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:41,840
details because

631
00:22:45,510 --> 00:22:43,600
many people aren't that are listening to

632
00:22:46,230 --> 00:22:45,520
the show are aware of exactly what

633
00:22:48,549 --> 00:22:46,240
happened

634
00:22:50,630 --> 00:22:48,559
but let's just do a nutshell of what

635
00:22:52,230 --> 00:22:50,640
happened i also want to tell you this

636
00:22:54,070 --> 00:22:52,240
one thing that happened after i had

637
00:22:55,830 --> 00:22:54,080
shane on i had someone contact

638
00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:55,840
me and they said you know that whole

639
00:22:59,990 --> 00:22:58,080
thing is a bunch of baloney

640
00:23:02,310 --> 00:23:00,000
this was just some lights that they saw

641
00:23:05,110 --> 00:23:02,320
very far away that's not the case

642
00:23:06,390 --> 00:23:05,120
um and anything i've ever seen or heard

643
00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:06,400
people talk about

644
00:23:10,149 --> 00:23:08,080
there was a lot of interaction but if

645
00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:10,159
you wouldn't mind like in a nutshell

646
00:23:13,510 --> 00:23:12,080
tell the person who's not aware of the

647
00:23:15,590 --> 00:23:13,520
case um

648
00:23:16,789 --> 00:23:15,600
what happened that day and what was the

649
00:23:21,430 --> 00:23:16,799
year 19

650
00:23:23,430 --> 00:23:21,440
what was that it was april 6 1966

651
00:23:24,870 --> 00:23:23,440
it was around what we call morning

652
00:23:26,549 --> 00:23:24,880
recess time which is sort of like

653
00:23:29,029 --> 00:23:26,559
morning tea for the kids

654
00:23:30,950 --> 00:23:29,039
so the teachers and uh the students have

655
00:23:32,630 --> 00:23:30,960
a a break where the kids get to run

656
00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:32,640
around for 15 minutes

657
00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:34,640
um and the teachers um from what i

658
00:23:37,029 --> 00:23:36,240
understand from the students a lot of

659
00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:37,039
them went

660
00:23:40,230 --> 00:23:38,720
went racing to the staff room to have a

661
00:23:43,029 --> 00:23:40,240
cigarette so i was

662
00:23:43,990 --> 00:23:43,039
about to i think it was just before that

663
00:23:45,990 --> 00:23:44,000
time

664
00:23:48,149 --> 00:23:46,000
and somebody came in and yelled that

665
00:23:50,950 --> 00:23:48,159
there was a ufo they came into

666
00:23:52,630 --> 00:23:50,960
mr andrew greenwood science class and

667
00:23:54,789 --> 00:23:52,640
yelled that there was a ufo outside and

668
00:23:56,710 --> 00:23:54,799
i think he lost control of the class

669
00:23:59,110 --> 00:23:56,720
from one of the reports as the kids went

670
00:24:02,149 --> 00:23:59,120
rushing to the window to look outside

671
00:24:03,990 --> 00:24:02,159
um just to go i mean there's very

672
00:24:05,669 --> 00:24:04,000
everyone's different story but it was

673
00:24:08,149 --> 00:24:05,679
consistent that

674
00:24:09,750 --> 00:24:08,159
they all saw some something hovering

675
00:24:13,669 --> 00:24:09,760
above the power line

676
00:24:15,750 --> 00:24:13,679
um colin um talks about it there that it

677
00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:15,760
was quite distinctively a silver

678
00:24:18,149 --> 00:24:16,720
sorcerer

679
00:24:19,990 --> 00:24:18,159
and there were probably there were

680
00:24:22,870 --> 00:24:20,000
actually three of them

681
00:24:24,390 --> 00:24:22,880
um three silver sources they were

682
00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:24,400
playing cat and mouse with

683
00:24:28,230 --> 00:24:26,960
um there were five cessna i know i don't

684
00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:28,240
know if they were cessna's but five

685
00:24:31,510 --> 00:24:30,000
light planes turned up

686
00:24:32,950 --> 00:24:31,520
and it seemed as though they were

687
00:24:34,390 --> 00:24:32,960
playing cat and mouse with these light

688
00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:34,400
planes and the kids were outside

689
00:24:38,710 --> 00:24:35,440
watching them

690
00:24:41,909 --> 00:24:38,720
um they were you have accounts from

691
00:24:43,990 --> 00:24:41,919
some of the girls like joy clark and um

692
00:24:45,190 --> 00:24:44,000
oh what was her name anyway some of the

693
00:24:46,950 --> 00:24:45,200
other ladies

694
00:24:48,230 --> 00:24:46,960
that were girls at the time went racing

695
00:24:50,710 --> 00:24:48,240
off to

696
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:50,720
the grange where they saw the sources

697
00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:52,320
move in the direction of

698
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:55,520
and um they got quite close to the

699
00:24:58,870 --> 00:24:57,600
saucer which was hovering a few feet

700
00:25:01,750 --> 00:24:58,880
above the ground

701
00:25:03,190 --> 00:25:01,760
so yeah this is the grange this is a

702
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:03,200
little reserve

703
00:25:07,750 --> 00:25:05,840
not far from the school um where the

704
00:25:09,750 --> 00:25:07,760
kids who used to do their athletics

705
00:25:11,029 --> 00:25:09,760
training or running around and i

706
00:25:14,549 --> 00:25:11,039
understand that there was a

707
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:14,559
it was a sight of um teenage intrigue as

708
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:16,320
well the kids would get up to like the

709
00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:17,760
older kids would get up to naughty

710
00:25:20,230 --> 00:25:18,640
things

711
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:20,240
uh they'd sneak off to the grange and

712
00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:21,840
smoke cigarettes and

713
00:25:25,269 --> 00:25:23,760
kiss and stuff like that stuff that

714
00:25:28,230 --> 00:25:25,279
teenagers do so

715
00:25:28,789 --> 00:25:28,240
it was a well-known spot for the kids um

716
00:25:30,310 --> 00:25:28,799
i can

717
00:25:32,149 --> 00:25:30,320
i think in that last shot you can see

718
00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:32,159
the the saucer in the background the

719
00:25:35,350 --> 00:25:33,840
playground saucer there it is in the

720
00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:35,360
bottom right

721
00:25:40,870 --> 00:25:39,120
um yeah so

722
00:25:42,549 --> 00:25:40,880
that's i guess in a nutshell there's a

723
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:42,559
whole lot more to tell about that

724
00:25:46,149 --> 00:25:44,400
yeah i mean for for one thing you know

725
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:46,159
there was a story

726
00:25:50,149 --> 00:25:49,440
um that uh you know the the teacher

727
00:25:52,230 --> 00:25:50,159
actually came

728
00:25:53,350 --> 00:25:52,240
forward and if anyone that watched the

729
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:53,360
phenomenon

730
00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:56,400
a movie by james fox um we'll see that

731
00:26:02,870 --> 00:25:59,520
the teacher was visited and

732
00:26:05,029 --> 00:26:02,880
uh he was fitted visited by um one i

733
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:05,039
think he said in military one in a

734
00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:08,159
you know jacket that just said you know

735
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:10,640
you were drunk um you know i mean this

736
00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:12,480
is the story that it's going to be told

737
00:26:15,669 --> 00:26:14,480
if you talk about this that you were

738
00:26:17,590 --> 00:26:15,679
drunk and and

739
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:17,600
you didn't see anything uh you know i

740
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:19,120
mean they're basically threatening to

741
00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:20,880
destroy his life so he kind of hid in

742
00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:22,880
the shadows and even on james film

743
00:26:26,549 --> 00:26:24,559
he wouldn't show his face the story

744
00:26:27,190 --> 00:26:26,559
behind the story of getting that

745
00:26:28,870 --> 00:26:27,200
interview

746
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:28,880
is fascinating because he was so

747
00:26:33,430 --> 00:26:30,240
traumatized by

748
00:26:35,430 --> 00:26:33,440
that visit that even in his what was in

749
00:26:38,230 --> 00:26:35,440
his eighties i think now

750
00:26:39,830 --> 00:26:38,240
um to to the day that james convinced

751
00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:39,840
him to go on camera

752
00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:42,880
he would not talk about it he and

753
00:26:47,590 --> 00:26:46,080
it took his students to i think james

754
00:26:51,190 --> 00:26:47,600
took a little video of the

755
00:26:53,430 --> 00:26:51,200
um former students of western witnesses

756
00:26:55,269 --> 00:26:53,440
giving him and joy you see joy there in

757
00:26:56,789 --> 00:26:55,279
the pink she's one of them one of the

758
00:26:59,190 --> 00:26:56,799
key witnesses joy clark

759
00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:59,200
and sue savage is the the lady with the

760
00:27:03,190 --> 00:27:00,480
ponytail the black

761
00:27:04,950 --> 00:27:03,200
hair in the front of the screen they

762
00:27:06,230 --> 00:27:04,960
they all sent him a little message on

763
00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:06,240
video

764
00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:08,080
that james brought to them to say look

765
00:27:10,870 --> 00:27:10,000
it's time there's nothing that can

766
00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:10,880
happen to you

767
00:27:14,549 --> 00:27:13,120
please for our sake talk about please

768
00:27:16,950 --> 00:27:14,559
support our story

769
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:16,960
please say what you saw and that did it

770
00:27:21,669 --> 00:27:18,960
like the pleading of the students to

771
00:27:23,669 --> 00:27:21,679
please mr greenwood please

772
00:27:26,470 --> 00:27:23,679
please tell your side of the story for

773
00:27:28,310 --> 00:27:26,480
our sake did it

774
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:28,320
now let me just ask you this and then we

775
00:27:33,350 --> 00:27:30,159
can move on from here but

776
00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:33,360
did any of the witnesses that you spoke

777
00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:34,000
to there

778
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:36,720
did any of them say that this was

779
00:27:43,029 --> 00:27:38,880
something life-changing to them

780
00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:43,039
did you have that feeling in that they

781
00:27:48,149 --> 00:27:46,240
um were

782
00:27:50,549 --> 00:27:48,159
whenever they spoke about i mean the

783
00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:50,559
climate until recently as i've said

784
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:52,640
has been that of ridicule if source

785
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:53,760
flying sources or

786
00:27:59,190 --> 00:27:56,960
ufos come up and as they would do in a

787
00:28:02,310 --> 00:27:59,200
workplace or social situation

788
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:02,320
usually with ridicule um

789
00:28:08,789 --> 00:28:05,520
i remember the um them saying that oh

790
00:28:09,430 --> 00:28:08,799
those that like joy jogger is my hero

791
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:09,440
she's

792
00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:13,440
so strong she would always say that well

793
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:15,120
i had an experience and they're not

794
00:28:19,510 --> 00:28:17,039
rubbish this is joy oh

795
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:19,520
actually i'm hiding behind her this is a

796
00:28:23,990 --> 00:28:21,600
snippet from the phenomenon

797
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:24,000
and that that's my little in the film

798
00:28:28,870 --> 00:28:27,279
that's your cameo right there

799
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:28,880
behind i'm the woman in black trying to

800
00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:30,960
hide behind the witnesses

801
00:28:38,870 --> 00:28:34,720
yes so joy um actually said

802
00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:38,880
at this picnic she said um i really felt

803
00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:41,760
for the victims of the catholic church

804
00:28:46,549 --> 00:28:43,440
the children that were molested

805
00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:46,559
she said i know our case is nothing like

806
00:28:52,070 --> 00:28:48,640
that nothing as severe as that but i do

807
00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:52,080
feel for how those children were never

808
00:28:55,029 --> 00:28:53,279
believed

809
00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:55,039
they had these awful traumas and they

810
00:28:58,710 --> 00:28:56,960
were told that they that they had

811
00:29:01,190 --> 00:28:58,720
imagined it she said i

812
00:29:02,630 --> 00:29:01,200
have a feeling of how they might you

813
00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:02,640
know a little bit of how they might have

814
00:29:06,470 --> 00:29:04,720
felt in that they were never believed

815
00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:06,480
and this is how the all of those

816
00:29:10,310 --> 00:29:07,760
witnesses

817
00:29:11,350 --> 00:29:10,320
were um they were told to shut up they

818
00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:11,360
were told to

819
00:29:15,909 --> 00:29:13,760
not talk about it when the media were

820
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:15,919
there trying to interview them

821
00:29:21,190 --> 00:29:19,200
um about it the media was shut down um

822
00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:21,200
and through their whole lives there's

823
00:29:25,750 --> 00:29:23,840
been this climate of australia of um

824
00:29:27,190 --> 00:29:25,760
pushing it under the carpet ignoring it

825
00:29:29,669 --> 00:29:27,200
not talking about it

826
00:29:31,110 --> 00:29:29,679
and um they would have had to have

827
00:29:33,029 --> 00:29:31,120
arguments or

828
00:29:34,789 --> 00:29:33,039
heated discussions with people about you

829
00:29:36,789 --> 00:29:34,799
know the truth of what they saw

830
00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:36,799
through their whole lives so yeah i

831
00:29:39,750 --> 00:29:38,320
guess in that it would be pretty

832
00:29:42,149 --> 00:29:39,760
life-changing

833
00:29:43,909 --> 00:29:42,159
yeah yeah and then uh we could just wrap

834
00:29:45,909 --> 00:29:43,919
this why don't we just wrap this part of

835
00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:45,919
the story up so james comes

836
00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:47,760
uh to australia you me that's you with

837
00:29:53,110 --> 00:29:49,840
him um you meet him

838
00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:53,120
uh actually did you speak with james

839
00:29:58,870 --> 00:29:56,240
before he uh came to australia

840
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:58,880
um i didn't but james rickney my friend

841
00:30:02,870 --> 00:29:59,760
did

842
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:02,880
um he this is james james

843
00:30:08,230 --> 00:30:05,760
um he travels each year to the united

844
00:30:10,630 --> 00:30:08,240
states to attend conferences and he's

845
00:30:14,950 --> 00:30:10,640
made a lot of friends in the ufo realm

846
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:14,960
james is an architect who um lives in

847
00:30:20,630 --> 00:30:18,000
a nearby suburb to where i live he

848
00:30:22,470 --> 00:30:20,640
actually approached me after west all

849
00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:22,480
the witnesses speak

850
00:30:26,789 --> 00:30:25,120
um no no sorry he approached me after

851
00:30:27,510 --> 00:30:26,799
the westall picnic that i held at the

852
00:30:30,789 --> 00:30:27,520
grange

853
00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:30,799
and he i thought who is this strange

854
00:30:35,110 --> 00:30:33,840
ufo guy what does he want with me and we

855
00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:35,120
went out for a coffee

856
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:38,080
and he convinced me that he was actually

857
00:30:44,950 --> 00:30:40,320
quite a regular guy and quite normal

858
00:30:48,310 --> 00:30:44,960
and not a weirdo to my relief and

859
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:48,320
we worked on a plot we actually wanted

860
00:30:53,029 --> 00:30:49,440
to

861
00:30:56,230 --> 00:30:53,039
have a i had a dream that the the con

862
00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:56,240
the the witnesses should be able to meet

863
00:30:59,430 --> 00:30:57,039
the public and

864
00:31:01,029 --> 00:30:59,440
answer questions about their experiences

865
00:31:04,870 --> 00:31:01,039
to anyone who's interested

866
00:31:07,350 --> 00:31:04,880
so we plotted to um

867
00:31:09,669 --> 00:31:07,360
make an event he got the support of

868
00:31:10,870 --> 00:31:09,679
before i hadn't met anybody from drufoa

869
00:31:13,909 --> 00:31:10,880
at that point

870
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:13,919
um and he got me to meet the team and

871
00:31:18,149 --> 00:31:15,120
they supported us

872
00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:18,159
in putting on westall uh

873
00:31:21,990 --> 00:31:20,720
event which we called um westall the

874
00:31:25,509 --> 00:31:22,000
witnesses speak

875
00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:25,519
we had a theater um and we showed rosie

876
00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:28,000
jones's film with shane ryan shane came

877
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:31,679
over and rosie came and um spoke

878
00:31:35,590 --> 00:31:34,080
to the audience as well so basically the

879
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:35,600
format was we had the film

880
00:31:41,190 --> 00:31:38,880
and we had a q a panel we had rosie and

881
00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:41,200
shane do a bit of talking but mainly

882
00:31:44,470 --> 00:31:43,360
there was quite an extended question and

883
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:44,480
answer session

884
00:31:47,909 --> 00:31:46,559
colin that you see there who's being

885
00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:47,919
photographed and interviewed by the

886
00:31:51,350 --> 00:31:48,640
media

887
00:31:53,029 --> 00:31:51,360
at the park in this picture here he

888
00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:53,039
spoke on the panel as well he actually

889
00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:54,880
came down from queensland

890
00:31:58,710 --> 00:31:56,880
and i don't think he'd been to the site

891
00:32:01,750 --> 00:31:58,720
for many years and for

892
00:32:04,710 --> 00:32:01,760
40 or 50 years um oh

893
00:32:05,669 --> 00:32:04,720
well he hadn't been or maybe one visit

894
00:32:14,549 --> 00:32:05,679
um

895
00:32:15,909 --> 00:32:14,559
were happily answering questions from

896
00:32:19,590 --> 00:32:15,919
the audience

897
00:32:22,870 --> 00:32:19,600
the event had a lot of interest we had

898
00:32:24,070 --> 00:32:22,880
um the tickets sold for it two weeks

899
00:32:26,549 --> 00:32:24,080
prior to the event

900
00:32:28,230 --> 00:32:26,559
we had people lining up at the door

901
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:28,240
wanting to get in

902
00:32:32,389 --> 00:32:31,440
um on the day and we had to turn people

903
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:32,399
away

904
00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:35,440
it was amazing we didn't expect that we

905
00:32:38,230 --> 00:32:36,960
would have that much interest it's sort

906
00:32:40,470 --> 00:32:38,240
of like

907
00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:40,480
people are secretly interested in

908
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:41,360
westall

909
00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:44,640
and secretly interested in ufos

910
00:32:52,149 --> 00:32:48,720
so it was quite incredible um

911
00:32:55,509 --> 00:32:52,159
yeah interesting yeah um let me okay so

912
00:32:57,029 --> 00:32:55,519
uh yeah that that that whole

913
00:32:59,110 --> 00:32:57,039
thing i remember when i first started

914
00:32:59,669 --> 00:32:59,120
looking into this topic that was one of

915
00:33:02,950 --> 00:32:59,679
the

916
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:02,960
ones i thought was pretty solid um i

917
00:33:06,789 --> 00:33:04,320
wanted to put up

918
00:33:09,990 --> 00:33:06,799
um well hang on just second uh one thing

919
00:33:13,669 --> 00:33:10,000
at a time here

920
00:33:16,149 --> 00:33:13,679
okay here we go i wanted to put up a

921
00:33:17,669 --> 00:33:16,159
comment that someone asked uh right here

922
00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:17,679
which pops up on the bottom of the

923
00:33:21,430 --> 00:33:18,480
screen

924
00:33:23,350 --> 00:33:21,440
um so uh they wanted to know what's the

925
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:23,360
best and newest case in australia that

926
00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:24,720
you know of i mean

927
00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:26,080
you talk about it's kind of hidden from

928
00:33:29,669 --> 00:33:28,080
the media or do you actually

929
00:33:31,269 --> 00:33:29,679
do these things actually trickle into

930
00:33:33,350 --> 00:33:31,279
the media when when there's something

931
00:33:35,110 --> 00:33:33,360
that happens

932
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:35,120
oh i don't know that they particularly

933
00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:37,279
go to the media they would probably go

934
00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:38,000
to

935
00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:42,240
a ufo group um depending on the area so

936
00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:42,720
we've got

937
00:33:46,950 --> 00:33:45,760
a case in a group in new south wales

938
00:33:48,789 --> 00:33:46,960
that are very active

939
00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:48,799
we've got a group in queensland that are

940
00:33:54,149 --> 00:33:50,880
active um

941
00:33:59,190 --> 00:33:54,159
yeah best and newest case

942
00:34:02,230 --> 00:34:01,190
yeah there's nothing nothing of the

943
00:34:04,149 --> 00:34:02,240
magnitude of

944
00:34:06,789 --> 00:34:04,159
westall at all we've had individual

945
00:34:09,829 --> 00:34:06,799
sightings where people have

946
00:34:12,310 --> 00:34:09,839
seen something by themselves

947
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:12,320
lots and lots of cases of um i mean

948
00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:13,280
people

949
00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:15,760
write into us by email through our

950
00:34:19,030 --> 00:34:16,960
website

951
00:34:20,230 --> 00:34:19,040
and i think well they obviously do to

952
00:34:22,710 --> 00:34:20,240
the um

953
00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:22,720
other states as well they write in about

954
00:34:25,669 --> 00:34:24,000
their experiences

955
00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:25,679
they're nothing of the magnitude of

956
00:34:32,389 --> 00:34:28,159
western where there's 250

957
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:32,399
or more people that have seen um

958
00:34:36,230 --> 00:34:34,800
that's up yeah that's up to like 300

959
00:34:39,190 --> 00:34:36,240
something right isn't it

960
00:34:39,909 --> 00:34:39,200
i think it is so if you count um there's

961
00:34:41,669 --> 00:34:39,919
a lot of people

962
00:34:43,030 --> 00:34:41,679
the adults that lived in the area that

963
00:34:43,990 --> 00:34:43,040
weren't in the area that have passed

964
00:34:45,669 --> 00:34:44,000
away

965
00:34:49,109 --> 00:34:45,679
i think if you estimate those but i

966
00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:49,119
think um shane has spoken to what over a

967
00:34:52,470 --> 00:34:50,480
hundred people

968
00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:52,480
face to face about their experience but

969
00:34:57,990 --> 00:34:54,800
that's a lot

970
00:34:58,550 --> 00:34:58,000
right what that was about is it three

971
00:35:02,230 --> 00:34:58,560
quarters

972
00:35:03,190 --> 00:35:02,240
no or no no i think in the in the um

973
00:35:06,390 --> 00:35:03,200
interview with you

974
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:06,400
he said there were an estimated 500

975
00:35:11,589 --> 00:35:10,240
people that would have been around or

976
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:11,599
had seen it

977
00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:14,160
but obviously he couldn't get to that to

978
00:35:16,790 --> 00:35:15,359
all of them because

979
00:35:18,790 --> 00:35:16,800
many of them were adults and passed away

980
00:35:19,990 --> 00:35:18,800
so he's only focusing on the the

981
00:35:23,349 --> 00:35:20,000
students

982
00:35:26,470 --> 00:35:23,359
that were 12 13 14 15.

983
00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:26,480
now one can i talk about

984
00:35:32,069 --> 00:35:29,680
an adult or actually two adults um

985
00:35:34,710 --> 00:35:32,079
young adults that were in the vicinity

986
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:34,720
that were not students at the school

987
00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:37,760
oh that's the old victorian ufo action

988
00:35:43,829 --> 00:35:40,800
website we've got a new website that's

989
00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:46,310
okay no problem for historical reasons

990
00:35:50,069 --> 00:35:47,440
but we want to look at

991
00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:50,079
forward.net which is our current website

992
00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:50,960
and we

993
00:35:55,829 --> 00:35:54,079
can report things too i won't i won't

994
00:35:58,950 --> 00:35:55,839
bring that up i just said

995
00:36:01,190 --> 00:35:58,960
yeah okay yeah um

996
00:36:02,150 --> 00:36:01,200
so there's one gentleman i don't know if

997
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:02,160
you've got the photograph

998
00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:04,560
um there was one guy who was studying

999
00:36:08,470 --> 00:36:05,760
engineering

1000
00:36:10,390 --> 00:36:08,480
who came up who heard about the from his

1001
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:10,400
uncle i think who lived in the area

1002
00:36:13,829 --> 00:36:12,480
and he came up to have a look at what

1003
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:13,839
was going on

1004
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:16,720
after it happened and he witnessed the

1005
00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:19,520
crop circle that was left in the grass

1006
00:36:23,109 --> 00:36:21,760
um and then he came the next day he

1007
00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:23,119
brought i think he was bringing his

1008
00:36:25,109 --> 00:36:24,400
friends he said i'll come and have a

1009
00:36:28,150 --> 00:36:25,119
look

1010
00:36:31,349 --> 00:36:28,160
and uh he turned up the next day and the

1011
00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:31,359
military all over it busy destroying

1012
00:36:36,790 --> 00:36:34,720
the evidence of the crop circle um

1013
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:36,800
or the landing traces on the ground

1014
00:36:39,910 --> 00:36:37,920
there also

1015
00:36:41,589 --> 00:36:39,920
this hasn't come out in the film at all

1016
00:36:44,550 --> 00:36:41,599
there's so many stories there are also

1017
00:36:45,670 --> 00:36:44,560
some kids that snuck up and witnessed

1018
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:45,680
the military

1019
00:36:48,870 --> 00:36:48,079
burning the grass and getting rid of the

1020
00:36:52,470 --> 00:36:48,880
evidence

1021
00:36:55,510 --> 00:36:52,480
the military were all over it um

1022
00:36:57,510 --> 00:36:55,520
there was this story i really like and

1023
00:37:00,870 --> 00:36:57,520
it's in the documentary and that's

1024
00:37:02,470 --> 00:37:00,880
um paul smith was a young market

1025
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:02,480
gardener working

1026
00:37:07,750 --> 00:37:06,400
um next to the the place with the trees

1027
00:37:08,470 --> 00:37:07,760
that you see that's him on the right

1028
00:37:12,069 --> 00:37:08,480
there

1029
00:37:15,910 --> 00:37:12,079
um that paul smith um

1030
00:37:18,390 --> 00:37:15,920
he was um pulling up carrots with his

1031
00:37:20,470 --> 00:37:18,400
boss his bosses a few meters away

1032
00:37:21,990 --> 00:37:20,480
and he just sort of looked up while he

1033
00:37:25,510 --> 00:37:22,000
was pulling up the carrots

1034
00:37:27,430 --> 00:37:25,520
and he saw a silver craft not very far

1035
00:37:30,550 --> 00:37:27,440
away from him i think he said it was

1036
00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:30,560
a hundred feet away from him and it was

1037
00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:32,960
a lot i can't remember the exact figure

1038
00:37:38,310 --> 00:37:35,200
was it 20 or 30 feet up hovering

1039
00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:38,320
above the ground so he was quite close

1040
00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:40,079
another person that was quite close to i

1041
00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:42,160
think terry peck was the person that was

1042
00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:43,440
the closest to it

1043
00:37:48,230 --> 00:37:47,760
um but he saw what he saw was a silver

1044
00:37:49,589 --> 00:37:48,240
thing

1045
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:49,599
and he thought what's going on is

1046
00:37:52,150 --> 00:37:51,280
somebody projecting an image from

1047
00:37:54,790 --> 00:37:52,160
somewhere

1048
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:54,800
is somebody playing a trick and then as

1049
00:37:58,390 --> 00:37:56,160
he was watching it it

1050
00:37:59,430 --> 00:37:58,400
cycled through the different colors like

1051
00:38:03,030 --> 00:37:59,440
blue and

1052
00:38:06,069 --> 00:38:03,040
green and purple and it sort of

1053
00:38:07,109 --> 00:38:06,079
looked too he described it it was

1054
00:38:09,190 --> 00:38:07,119
looking

1055
00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:09,200
like it was losing transmission it was

1056
00:38:12,550 --> 00:38:10,560
kind of crackling or

1057
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:12,560
you know like the static on the tv when

1058
00:38:16,470 --> 00:38:13,920
the there's no radio

1059
00:38:18,790 --> 00:38:16,480
no tv station at the end of the

1060
00:38:21,910 --> 00:38:18,800
transmission is sort of like it was

1061
00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:21,920
sort of all staticky and then um

1062
00:38:27,510 --> 00:38:25,200
it became translucent

1063
00:38:28,870 --> 00:38:27,520
and then he said it drifted down through

1064
00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:28,880
the trees

1065
00:38:35,589 --> 00:38:33,040
mean that it was

1066
00:38:37,030 --> 00:38:35,599
you know because the trees are as you

1067
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:37,040
can see quite close together and i

1068
00:38:40,390 --> 00:38:37,920
couldn't see how

1069
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:40,400
a crafted this size could go through the

1070
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:41,760
trees and dodge them

1071
00:38:46,150 --> 00:38:44,480
and i said was it going around the trees

1072
00:38:47,829 --> 00:38:46,160
and dodging them how could it possibly

1073
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:47,839
go through the trees

1074
00:38:52,870 --> 00:38:50,640
um and he said it was like the

1075
00:38:55,109 --> 00:38:52,880
consistency of smoke

1076
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:55,119
so it had become like a ghost it had

1077
00:38:58,470 --> 00:38:56,640
become ghost-like and

1078
00:39:01,829 --> 00:38:58,480
drifted through the trees which is quite

1079
00:39:03,190 --> 00:39:01,839
amazing and

1080
00:39:05,589 --> 00:39:03,200
it's not the first time i've heard

1081
00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:05,599
something like that yeah

1082
00:39:10,950 --> 00:39:08,640
there are some similar accounts and um

1083
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:10,960
and some that almost make you think it's

1084
00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:12,960
a multi-dimensional or

1085
00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:16,079
something you know uh it just

1086
00:39:19,829 --> 00:39:17,680
it doesn't make any sense but there are

1087
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:19,839
many cases where people will say that

1088
00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:22,079
a ufo will just it'll be there and all

1089
00:39:25,589 --> 00:39:23,680
of a sudden it'll fade

1090
00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:25,599
and then or sometimes just show up in

1091
00:39:32,470 --> 00:39:27,760
another spot instantly

1092
00:39:33,990 --> 00:39:32,480
you know i mean just it's such a mystery

1093
00:39:36,150 --> 00:39:34,000
of what the heck it could possibly be

1094
00:39:38,790 --> 00:39:36,160
who knows

1095
00:39:40,150 --> 00:39:38,800
yeah so that was uh now was that any you

1096
00:39:40,870 --> 00:39:40,160
said he was pulling up carrots i love

1097
00:39:43,829 --> 00:39:40,880
that so

1098
00:39:44,710 --> 00:39:43,839
was that anywhere near west hall that

1099
00:39:46,470 --> 00:39:44,720
was right

1100
00:39:48,630 --> 00:39:46,480
right at the site and then he said the

1101
00:39:50,390 --> 00:39:48,640
children the children came running

1102
00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:50,400
after the like a few minutes later he

1103
00:39:56,230 --> 00:39:52,640
could hear the patter of

1104
00:39:57,190 --> 00:39:56,240
not so tiny feet running and um chasing

1105
00:40:00,550 --> 00:39:57,200
the ufo

1106
00:40:02,230 --> 00:40:00,560
and yeah so he was at the receiving end

1107
00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:02,240
where the ufo turned up

1108
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:05,200
and then saw the kids chasing it and the

1109
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:06,480
other thing that he said that was really

1110
00:40:11,109 --> 00:40:08,400
interesting at the time he said

1111
00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:11,119
the following year in the area where the

1112
00:40:15,829 --> 00:40:12,880
ufo had been

1113
00:40:17,109 --> 00:40:15,839
the potatoes they planted potatoes in in

1114
00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:17,119
that spot

1115
00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:20,160
and the potatoes were huge they were

1116
00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:21,920
like footballs they were abnormally

1117
00:40:24,150 --> 00:40:22,720
large

1118
00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:24,160
and he said they were good for nothing

1119
00:40:29,109 --> 00:40:25,760
they had to chuck them out there was

1120
00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:29,119
they were not not good for for selling

1121
00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:31,440
because they were just too big

1122
00:40:35,670 --> 00:40:35,040
so what the how do you explain that

1123
00:40:39,190 --> 00:40:35,680
there was some

1124
00:40:42,069 --> 00:40:39,200
effect on the soil of the ufo apparently

1125
00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:42,079
to make such big i mean growing the

1126
00:40:46,550 --> 00:40:44,079
potatoes normally each year and then one

1127
00:40:49,910 --> 00:40:46,560
year after the ufo

1128
00:40:53,030 --> 00:40:49,920
the potatoes are just enormous why

1129
00:40:54,630 --> 00:40:53,040
wow that is yeah that is something

1130
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:54,640
there are a few cases where you hear

1131
00:40:59,109 --> 00:40:56,880
about the effects of

1132
00:41:00,950 --> 00:40:59,119
well for instance travis walton you know

1133
00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:00,960
where supposedly the

1134
00:41:07,750 --> 00:41:04,560
craft came down there's uh strange uh

1135
00:41:09,750 --> 00:41:07,760
uh tree ring growths you know

1136
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:09,760
that so who knows what that you know i

1137
00:41:13,510 --> 00:41:11,520
mean there's all types of speculation

1138
00:41:14,950 --> 00:41:13,520
of what can do something like that some

1139
00:41:16,630 --> 00:41:14,960
people say it's uh

1140
00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:16,640
you know radiation i don't know if

1141
00:41:21,589 --> 00:41:19,280
that's if that's it

1142
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:21,599
but um yeah some kind of radiation i

1143
00:41:27,190 --> 00:41:23,200
think jacques valet

1144
00:41:30,630 --> 00:41:27,200
has um made observations in his books

1145
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:30,640
about the effects on on vegetation

1146
00:41:38,309 --> 00:41:34,800
so yeah yeah yeah so let's uh

1147
00:41:41,910 --> 00:41:38,319
um let's uh let's see we've got about

1148
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:41,920
uh like uh 12 or 13 minutes before we go

1149
00:41:45,109 --> 00:41:42,480
into our

1150
00:41:45,670 --> 00:41:45,119
our break and so i would like to talk

1151
00:41:47,589 --> 00:41:45,680
about

1152
00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:47,599
the uh someone actually has a question

1153
00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:49,440
here let me just pop it up

1154
00:41:54,069 --> 00:41:52,800
did the potatoes get tested for

1155
00:41:58,309 --> 00:41:54,079
radiation

1156
00:42:03,270 --> 00:42:00,870
somebody was covertly testing all of

1157
00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:03,280
this but nothing has been released to

1158
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:04,480
the public there are no

1159
00:42:09,190 --> 00:42:08,000
files for anybody to access nobody has

1160
00:42:12,870 --> 00:42:09,200
admitted anything

1161
00:42:15,030 --> 00:42:12,880
officially on this so as far as i know

1162
00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:15,040
they haven't

1163
00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:17,280
yeah well things potatoes are too big

1164
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:18,640
and they just got chucked out that i

1165
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:19,680
think that's

1166
00:42:23,109 --> 00:42:22,800
pretty much what happened yeah um one of

1167
00:42:26,230 --> 00:42:23,119
the

1168
00:42:29,109 --> 00:42:26,240
one of my favorite parts of um james

1169
00:42:30,550 --> 00:42:29,119
film um was also in australia i do

1170
00:42:33,990 --> 00:42:30,560
believe it's australia

1171
00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:34,000
where um the gentleman took a polaroid

1172
00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:36,000
of this craft when it was out in his

1173
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:38,000
garden that blew me away that

1174
00:42:43,030 --> 00:42:40,560
that picture that polaroid that's

1175
00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:43,040
something that can't be faked

1176
00:42:46,470 --> 00:42:45,520
that was in the same year and in fact i

1177
00:42:49,829 --> 00:42:46,480
found in

1178
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:49,839
um i've got some old versions of the

1179
00:42:53,910 --> 00:42:51,280
flying saucer review

1180
00:42:55,829 --> 00:42:53,920
which is a pre a publication from the

1181
00:42:57,349 --> 00:42:55,839
predecessor of buffalo which is called

1182
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:57,359
vufors the victorian

1183
00:43:04,550 --> 00:43:03,750
victorian ufo research yeah that's right

1184
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:04,560
they

1185
00:43:10,470 --> 00:43:07,920
um had an analysis i think i sent that

1186
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:10,480
to you did you get that email

1187
00:43:16,069 --> 00:43:14,400
there was an analysis of a very geeky

1188
00:43:18,270 --> 00:43:16,079
must have been by an engineer or some

1189
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:18,280
sort of um very um

1190
00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:20,640
detail-oriented person on the baldwin

1191
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:21,680
photo

1192
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:23,760
and there was a little snippet of

1193
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:25,200
information which i

1194
00:43:29,829 --> 00:43:28,560
never seen before um i'm not aware of

1195
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:29,839
and i'm not sure how many people are

1196
00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:30,640
aware of it

1197
00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:32,960
but this is the original research is

1198
00:43:37,109 --> 00:43:35,760
when the photograph came out in 1966 so

1199
00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:37,119
this publication was

1200
00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:39,680
printed around that time so the

1201
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:41,040
photograph was taken

1202
00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:43,920
i think yeah that was days before or

1203
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:44,880
days

1204
00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:48,160
from memory

1205
00:43:53,829 --> 00:43:51,359
um but in the uh

1206
00:43:55,510 --> 00:43:53,839
report that virfor was released in this

1207
00:43:59,030 --> 00:43:55,520
publication was that

1208
00:44:02,150 --> 00:43:59,040
it was seen hovering near a school

1209
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:02,160
the same crap not the same school but it

1210
00:44:06,550 --> 00:44:03,359
was

1211
00:44:08,230 --> 00:44:06,560
oval

1212
00:44:09,670 --> 00:44:08,240
or something like that which i was not

1213
00:44:11,349 --> 00:44:09,680
aware of until

1214
00:44:13,030 --> 00:44:11,359
yesterday yesterday i was looking

1215
00:44:13,829 --> 00:44:13,040
through this stuff in preparation for

1216
00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:13,839
the show

1217
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:16,960
i thought wow who knows that and that's

1218
00:44:24,309 --> 00:44:18,240
another whole

1219
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:24,319
we could talk about old research in

1220
00:44:27,829 --> 00:44:25,200
australia

1221
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:27,839
with paul norman who was a an american

1222
00:44:31,870 --> 00:44:28,560
guy

1223
00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:31,880
um from tennessee he was born in

1224
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:36,720
1916 i think and died in 2012 he was an

1225
00:44:42,550 --> 00:44:39,839
ex-air force guy and

1226
00:44:44,710 --> 00:44:42,560
he moved he had his own sighting in the

1227
00:44:45,589 --> 00:44:44,720
1950s when he was managing a power

1228
00:44:47,349 --> 00:44:45,599
station

1229
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:47,359
he moved to australia about 10 years

1230
00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:49,680
later and married i think a local girl

1231
00:44:56,069 --> 00:44:53,280
and he was um instrumental in bringing

1232
00:45:00,630 --> 00:44:56,079
james e mcdonald over to australia

1233
00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:00,640
to talk and to investigate some cases

1234
00:45:05,910 --> 00:45:04,079
and he knew alan heineck as well he also

1235
00:45:07,829 --> 00:45:05,920
called alan heineck a born-again

1236
00:45:09,910 --> 00:45:07,839
ufologist he was a little bit skeptical

1237
00:45:11,430 --> 00:45:09,920
of him

1238
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:11,440
well that's not that's not a bad term

1239
00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:13,520
for him you know for what happened yeah

1240
00:45:18,550 --> 00:45:16,880
yeah so he was yeah although he

1241
00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:18,560
respected him i think he was a little

1242
00:45:24,309 --> 00:45:20,240
skeptical of him

1243
00:45:27,990 --> 00:45:24,319
um and uh yeah he's a fascinating

1244
00:45:29,109 --> 00:45:28,000
person to um have a complete whole show

1245
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:29,119
about

1246
00:45:33,270 --> 00:45:31,920
yeah yeah so you also looked into the

1247
00:45:35,670 --> 00:45:33,280
frederick valentic

1248
00:45:37,990 --> 00:45:35,680
um um i i don't know if i pronounced

1249
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:38,000
that right

1250
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:45,670
the lintage okay yeah i've heard it's

1251
00:45:49,109 --> 00:45:47,200
said many different ways but that's

1252
00:45:52,230 --> 00:45:49,119
probably the right way you're right um

1253
00:45:53,910 --> 00:45:52,240
so uh what have you looked into about

1254
00:45:54,390 --> 00:45:53,920
that case i mean another fascinating

1255
00:45:56,309 --> 00:45:54,400
case

1256
00:45:57,829 --> 00:45:56,319
but quickly if you would for the person

1257
00:46:01,109 --> 00:45:57,839
that is unfamiliar with it

1258
00:46:02,390 --> 00:46:01,119
um just in a nutshell okay so fred

1259
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:02,400
valentich left

1260
00:46:06,790 --> 00:46:05,280
uh 40 years ago he left the moorabbin

1261
00:46:07,510 --> 00:46:06,800
airport which is probably half an hour's

1262
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:07,520
drive from

1263
00:46:15,990 --> 00:46:11,520
where i live um at dusk

1264
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:16,000
and he um reported an unusual object

1265
00:46:23,430 --> 00:46:19,520
flying around him and over him to

1266
00:46:25,990 --> 00:46:23,440
traffic control um and he

1267
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:26,000
oh well this is very quick version he

1268
00:46:30,950 --> 00:46:28,960
while he was talking to them he vanished

1269
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:30,960
he was never to be seen again he was

1270
00:46:35,030 --> 00:46:32,720
doing a quick run

1271
00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:35,040
um to get up his flying hours he was

1272
00:46:38,950 --> 00:46:35,760
wanting to

1273
00:46:41,109 --> 00:46:38,960
train to be um an airline pilot

1274
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:41,119
so he was flying like planes and also he

1275
00:46:45,270 --> 00:46:42,400
was a very um

1276
00:46:46,550 --> 00:46:45,280
skilled um aviator in that he would

1277
00:46:48,710 --> 00:46:46,560
participate in

1278
00:46:50,550 --> 00:46:48,720
in air shows and do loop-de-loops and

1279
00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:50,560
and you know crazy stuff

1280
00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:53,280
so he was um apparently pretty good at

1281
00:46:57,910 --> 00:46:54,240
what he did

1282
00:46:59,829 --> 00:46:57,920
and so he was no um novice

1283
00:47:01,750 --> 00:46:59,839
even though he was getting his uh ours

1284
00:47:04,230 --> 00:47:01,760
up he was adept at flying

1285
00:47:05,349 --> 00:47:04,240
and he knew his stuff and he was careful

1286
00:47:09,510 --> 00:47:05,359
um we

1287
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:09,520
ran an event um on the 40th anniversary

1288
00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:12,640
of his disappearance and we held it at

1289
00:47:15,750 --> 00:47:13,680
the place

1290
00:47:17,270 --> 00:47:15,760
he was last seen which was the moorabbin

1291
00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:17,280
airport and they've got a little

1292
00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:20,640
um restaurant function center there so

1293
00:47:25,109 --> 00:47:22,960
we heard of our function there invited

1294
00:47:26,549 --> 00:47:25,119
people who were interested and we had a

1295
00:47:30,309 --> 00:47:26,559
very long

1296
00:47:33,750 --> 00:47:30,319
seminar um where andrew

1297
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:33,760
arnold produced the

1298
00:47:38,230 --> 00:47:36,720
um the basics of the case the the

1299
00:47:38,950 --> 00:47:38,240
introduction to the case as to what

1300
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:38,960
happened

1301
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:41,280
and then we had one of the researchers

1302
00:47:44,069 --> 00:47:42,960
that was there at the time working with

1303
00:47:46,309 --> 00:47:44,079
paul norman

1304
00:47:49,349 --> 00:47:46,319
who investigated the case thoroughly at

1305
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:49,359
the time and that's john ortil

1306
00:47:56,390 --> 00:47:52,480
and he gave a fantastic very detailed

1307
00:47:57,030 --> 00:47:56,400
um rundown of what how they investigated

1308
00:47:59,270 --> 00:47:57,040
the case

1309
00:48:00,630 --> 00:47:59,280
and what they discovered and what they

1310
00:48:02,950 --> 00:48:00,640
they couldn't discover

1311
00:48:04,309 --> 00:48:02,960
um so there is a video of that it's

1312
00:48:05,349 --> 00:48:04,319
about four hours long you'd have to

1313
00:48:08,309 --> 00:48:05,359
break it up into

1314
00:48:09,990 --> 00:48:08,319
lots of viewing sessions but if you're

1315
00:48:13,510 --> 00:48:10,000
interested in the john orchard

1316
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:13,520
part as to what happened there

1317
00:48:19,510 --> 00:48:16,800
that's really worth looking at so um

1318
00:48:20,549 --> 00:48:19,520
yeah so it's a case that's spoken about

1319
00:48:23,829 --> 00:48:20,559
all over the world

1320
00:48:25,829 --> 00:48:23,839
what happened to this pilot um i don't

1321
00:48:27,910 --> 00:48:25,839
know how many other cases there are of i

1322
00:48:29,589 --> 00:48:27,920
think you're doing a shower on on

1323
00:48:31,430 --> 00:48:29,599
aren't you of people that have

1324
00:48:33,750 --> 00:48:31,440
disappeared in airplanes

1325
00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:33,760
no that was a blog we have a blog on our

1326
00:48:37,270 --> 00:48:34,960
website now

1327
00:48:37,990 --> 00:48:37,280
where uh charles lear the blogger for

1328
00:48:41,109 --> 00:48:38,000
this uh

1329
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:41,119
podcast has written one and and and that

1330
00:48:44,549 --> 00:48:42,000
case in

1331
00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:44,559
particular is in that as well you know

1332
00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:47,280
as uh just a listing but it's not

1333
00:48:53,510 --> 00:48:50,480
the only thing um that has happened

1334
00:48:56,950 --> 00:48:53,520
there's a few others there's the mantel

1335
00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:56,960
um case where not not you know

1336
00:49:02,069 --> 00:48:59,440
had it didn't disappear but it was a it

1337
00:49:03,829 --> 00:49:02,079
was a crash involved in that

1338
00:49:06,069 --> 00:49:03,839
and there's some others i can't really

1339
00:49:09,270 --> 00:49:06,079
excite them off the top of my head but

1340
00:49:11,270 --> 00:49:09,280
yeah it's all interesting

1341
00:49:13,589 --> 00:49:11,280
now you had given me some pictures

1342
00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:13,599
because you went to the area where

1343
00:49:17,910 --> 00:49:16,480
supposedly it could have gone down is

1344
00:49:21,349 --> 00:49:17,920
that what it is

1345
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:21,359
well we we had um at the event

1346
00:49:26,950 --> 00:49:24,960
um steve roby the traffic controller

1347
00:49:28,470 --> 00:49:26,960
the one that the last person that spoke

1348
00:49:29,829 --> 00:49:28,480
to fred valentich

1349
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:29,839
and he brought with him a couple of

1350
00:49:34,630 --> 00:49:32,400
mates who were also experienced pilots

1351
00:49:36,870 --> 00:49:34,640
and um and one of them i think ran an

1352
00:49:38,230 --> 00:49:36,880
airport was managing an airport

1353
00:49:40,230 --> 00:49:38,240
and i don't know if it came out in the

1354
00:49:41,670 --> 00:49:40,240
video but i do remember him speaking up

1355
00:49:45,829 --> 00:49:41,680
and saying that he's flown

1356
00:49:47,750 --> 00:49:45,839
over the area countless times

1357
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:47,760
um there was a theory that he could have

1358
00:49:50,630 --> 00:49:49,440
gone that fred could have not gone down

1359
00:49:51,990 --> 00:49:50,640
in the forest so

1360
00:49:53,670 --> 00:49:52,000
i don't know do you want to bring up the

1361
00:49:56,309 --> 00:49:53,680
pictures now that's a

1362
00:49:57,670 --> 00:49:56,319
picture of the forest part of the fog

1363
00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:57,680
that's a canopy

1364
00:50:02,630 --> 00:50:00,240
and this is this amazing rugged

1365
00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:02,640
coastline it's a it's a big tourist spot

1366
00:50:06,950 --> 00:50:05,119
that's a winter shot of it but fred was

1367
00:50:08,069 --> 00:50:06,960
flying in springtime so

1368
00:50:10,630 --> 00:50:08,079
i don't know if we've got another

1369
00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:10,640
picture um which i've sent you

1370
00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:12,640
which shows the area i have the cute

1371
00:50:16,309 --> 00:50:13,920
little koala bear

1372
00:50:17,190 --> 00:50:16,319
i love those things okay that shows that

1373
00:50:19,990 --> 00:50:17,200
the area

1374
00:50:21,510 --> 00:50:20,000
is thickly forested and koalas live

1375
00:50:24,790 --> 00:50:21,520
there

1376
00:50:27,030 --> 00:50:24,800
so on one side you've got this rugged

1377
00:50:30,870 --> 00:50:27,040
coastline and then inland is this

1378
00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:30,880
amazing forest and um

1379
00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:33,760
so the weather was not like that it was

1380
00:50:37,750 --> 00:50:34,720
apparently quite

1381
00:50:39,270 --> 00:50:37,760
clear um it was when he was flying it

1382
00:50:40,950 --> 00:50:39,280
was still light it was

1383
00:50:43,670 --> 00:50:40,960
fading light but it wasn't actually

1384
00:50:46,950 --> 00:50:43,680
night time so about 7 p.m

1385
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:46,960
our time in spring is still quite

1386
00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:48,720
you know it's just just the light is

1387
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:50,400
fading um

1388
00:50:55,829 --> 00:50:54,480
and he um yeah so basically the search

1389
00:50:57,589 --> 00:50:55,839
was taken over the sea

1390
00:50:59,670 --> 00:50:57,599
so we've got best like this is the

1391
00:51:03,030 --> 00:50:59,680
bottom of australia where we've got

1392
00:51:04,390 --> 00:51:03,040
um a very tempestuous ocean uh leading

1393
00:51:06,630 --> 00:51:04,400
to tasmania

1394
00:51:09,030 --> 00:51:06,640
and so they thought maybe he could have

1395
00:51:11,589 --> 00:51:09,040
gone off course and

1396
00:51:12,230 --> 00:51:11,599
vanished in the ocean or he maybe he

1397
00:51:14,390 --> 00:51:12,240
could have

1398
00:51:15,589 --> 00:51:14,400
gone off course and and vanished over

1399
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:15,599
into the forest

1400
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:17,760
and so this fellow who ran the airport

1401
00:51:20,470 --> 00:51:18,800
the experience of

1402
00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:20,480
i can't remember his name was saying

1403
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:22,960
that you know if he had

1404
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:24,720
perished in the forest he they would

1405
00:51:27,990 --> 00:51:26,240
have probably found

1406
00:51:29,670 --> 00:51:28,000
the remains of the craft but nothing has

1407
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:29,680
been found um

1408
00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:31,200
rhonda rushton i don't know if you can

1409
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:33,200
bring up the picture of um

1410
00:51:36,790 --> 00:51:35,680
ronda at the lighthouse oh yes i have

1411
00:51:39,589 --> 00:51:36,800
that one yeah

1412
00:51:40,470 --> 00:51:39,599
rhonda was his fiancee she knew him very

1413
00:51:43,750 --> 00:51:40,480
well and we

1414
00:51:46,390 --> 00:51:43,760
i did it with her um she

1415
00:51:47,510 --> 00:51:46,400
was very close to him preceding his

1416
00:51:49,829 --> 00:51:47,520
disappearance

1417
00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:49,839
he was planning he like there was a

1418
00:51:52,470 --> 00:51:51,599
theory that he was suicidal he was

1419
00:51:55,270 --> 00:51:52,480
apparently not

1420
00:51:56,710 --> 00:51:55,280
suicidal at all he was a happy guy and

1421
00:51:57,829 --> 00:51:56,720
they were planning to get married and

1422
00:52:01,109 --> 00:51:57,839
have children

1423
00:52:03,910 --> 00:52:01,119
um so and she was actually going to be

1424
00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:03,920
on that flight with him but through um

1425
00:52:08,790 --> 00:52:06,720
amazing set of circumstances she

1426
00:52:10,630 --> 00:52:08,800
missed out on getting onto the like

1427
00:52:12,710 --> 00:52:10,640
because he would take her on on little

1428
00:52:16,230 --> 00:52:12,720
joy rides around the area

1429
00:52:18,630 --> 00:52:16,240
and um because in the days of

1430
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:18,640
no mobile phones she wasn't able to get

1431
00:52:21,030 --> 00:52:20,160
in contact with him and say that she was

1432
00:52:22,790 --> 00:52:21,040
running late

1433
00:52:24,470 --> 00:52:22,800
and so he took off on his scheduled

1434
00:52:26,309 --> 00:52:24,480
flight without her

1435
00:52:28,069 --> 00:52:26,319
and so she it could have been two people

1436
00:52:32,950 --> 00:52:28,079
disappearing not just one

1437
00:52:34,790 --> 00:52:32,960
um but yeah so tragically she um

1438
00:52:36,630 --> 00:52:34,800
she was saying at the time she did not

1439
00:52:38,870 --> 00:52:36,640
want to believe that it was a ufo he

1440
00:52:40,710 --> 00:52:38,880
never even mentioned the word ufo

1441
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:40,720
when he was talking about it he said

1442
00:52:45,109 --> 00:52:42,160
it's not a plane that's

1443
00:52:46,390 --> 00:52:45,119
easy it's not planning never mention the

1444
00:52:49,829 --> 00:52:46,400
important point

1445
00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:49,839
um because there's a lot of um media

1446
00:52:53,829 --> 00:52:51,520
it's interesting because if he died in a

1447
00:52:56,309 --> 00:52:53,839
motorbike accident or a car accident

1448
00:52:57,030 --> 00:52:56,319
would he have been there's a lot of

1449
00:52:59,270 --> 00:52:57,040
ridicule

1450
00:53:01,349 --> 00:52:59,280
and running down of his character that

1451
00:53:03,750 --> 00:53:01,359
he was an idiot or whatever

1452
00:53:05,510 --> 00:53:03,760
but if he would if he had died in some

1453
00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:05,520
other sort of tragic accident would he

1454
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:06,720
have been

1455
00:53:11,670 --> 00:53:10,079
ridicule around it

1456
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:11,680
no i don't think there would have been

1457
00:53:16,710 --> 00:53:13,200
that's quite interesting

1458
00:53:17,829 --> 00:53:16,720
um well we're just about ready to go

1459
00:53:21,430 --> 00:53:17,839
into break here

1460
00:53:23,270 --> 00:53:21,440
and so in that we have uh we have just a

1461
00:53:24,150 --> 00:53:23,280
minute and a half but i did want to just

1462
00:53:27,510 --> 00:53:24,160
prime

1463
00:53:28,870 --> 00:53:27,520
um the people so we'll maybe we'll pick

1464
00:53:31,910 --> 00:53:28,880
up a little bit more of

1465
00:53:33,510 --> 00:53:31,920
the valentin valenti however you say it

1466
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:33,520
i'm terrible at remembering how to say

1467
00:53:37,109 --> 00:53:36,000
things like that but anyway um

1468
00:53:38,230 --> 00:53:37,119
we're going to be talking when we come

1469
00:53:39,670 --> 00:53:38,240
back from break we're going to be

1470
00:53:41,910 --> 00:53:39,680
talking about this

1471
00:53:43,589 --> 00:53:41,920
incident and for those of you in youtube

1472
00:53:45,589 --> 00:53:43,599
you can hear uh

1473
00:53:47,109 --> 00:53:45,599
listen and watch a clip that i can be

1474
00:53:50,230 --> 00:53:47,119
playing during our break

1475
00:53:50,950 --> 00:53:50,240
but uh this is uh this is a very very

1476
00:53:54,309 --> 00:53:50,960
interesting

1477
00:53:56,870 --> 00:53:54,319
case of the knowles family that uh

1478
00:53:58,309 --> 00:53:56,880
happened in 1986 i want to say something

1479
00:54:01,990 --> 00:53:58,319
like that

1480
00:54:05,109 --> 00:54:02,000
um yeah yeah

1481
00:54:06,710 --> 00:54:05,119
there there abouts but uh anyway we are

1482
00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:06,720
going to head right into the break so

1483
00:54:11,190 --> 00:54:08,160
those of you on youtube

1484
00:54:14,390 --> 00:54:11,200
you can uh watch uh this clip and

1485
00:54:17,190 --> 00:54:14,400
uh those of you on kgra radio

1486
00:54:21,030 --> 00:54:17,200
will be right back right after these

1487
00:54:24,630 --> 00:54:22,470
well to the nulls family in adelaide

1488
00:54:26,870 --> 00:54:24,640
thanks for joining us and

1489
00:54:28,950 --> 00:54:26,880
36 hours now after the event do any of

1490
00:54:30,790 --> 00:54:28,960
you have any doubts as to

1491
00:54:31,990 --> 00:54:30,800
what happened do you still believe that

1492
00:54:34,630 --> 00:54:32,000
it was a ufo that

1493
00:54:35,829 --> 00:54:34,640
landed on your car yes we do why do you

1494
00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:35,839
believe that because we

1495
00:54:38,870 --> 00:54:37,440
actually score it you know it was

1496
00:54:40,549 --> 00:54:38,880
chasteners

1497
00:54:43,510 --> 00:54:40,559
and it all of a sudden it landed on our

1498
00:54:47,589 --> 00:54:43,520
car pulled our car back

1499
00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:47,599
and i put my hand out the window

1500
00:54:51,670 --> 00:54:50,880
and i fell on the roof what did you what

1501
00:54:54,150 --> 00:54:51,680
did you feel

1502
00:54:56,309 --> 00:54:54,160
it was like a um a sponge on the roof it

1503
00:54:59,990 --> 00:54:56,319
was stuck in the roof you know car

1504
00:55:00,549 --> 00:55:00,000
it was a sponge i saw it how big was it

1505
00:55:03,349 --> 00:55:00,559
what did it look

1506
00:55:05,430 --> 00:55:03,359
like i don't really know i can't really

1507
00:55:10,150 --> 00:55:05,440
explain

1508
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:13,190
um no not

1509
00:55:21,109 --> 00:55:17,200
really it was uh i can't explain it

1510
00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:21,119
uh we sort of it was shaped like this

1511
00:55:24,870 --> 00:55:24,000
hanger was shaped like this had like a

1512
00:55:28,390 --> 00:55:24,880
little circle

1513
00:55:32,150 --> 00:55:28,400
in the center and that was like a yellow

1514
00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:32,160
sort of color and

1515
00:55:37,030 --> 00:55:35,200
it had on the outsides

1516
00:55:38,870 --> 00:55:37,040
it was sort of shaped like that and on

1517
00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:38,880
the outsides it was like that and in the

1518
00:55:45,589 --> 00:55:41,440
center it was like that

1519
00:55:47,510 --> 00:55:45,599
and i asked b burrata you know

1520
00:55:49,270 --> 00:55:47,520
if that was a spaceship and he goes

1521
00:55:53,589 --> 00:55:49,280
don't be stupid

1522
00:55:57,109 --> 00:55:53,599
so i got up closer to have a look

1523
00:55:59,349 --> 00:55:57,119
and it was moving backwards and forwards

1524
00:56:01,589 --> 00:55:59,359
and so we decided to take off to have a

1525
00:56:05,510 --> 00:56:01,599
look we decided to take off

1526
00:56:07,750 --> 00:56:05,520
and it was flying miles back and

1527
00:56:10,309 --> 00:56:07,760
i drove miles up the right again and it

1528
00:56:12,789 --> 00:56:10,319
was in front of us again

1529
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:12,799
how how high off the ground was it was

1530
00:56:16,309 --> 00:56:14,400
underground i mean it was on the ground

1531
00:56:18,150 --> 00:56:16,319
it was on the ground facing us when we

1532
00:56:20,470 --> 00:56:18,160
were driving along

1533
00:56:22,710 --> 00:56:20,480
and then so it was moving along with you

1534
00:56:24,630 --> 00:56:22,720
yeah it was polarness

1535
00:56:26,549 --> 00:56:24,640
and then eventually you tried to get

1536
00:56:28,230 --> 00:56:26,559
away from it is that right they're still

1537
00:56:30,069 --> 00:56:28,240
chasing us

1538
00:56:32,390 --> 00:56:30,079
sean you sean you were driving how fast

1539
00:56:36,309 --> 00:56:32,400
did you get up to i got up to about

1540
00:56:37,510 --> 00:56:36,319
200 kilometers that's very fast have you

1541
00:56:40,549 --> 00:56:37,520
driven that fast before

1542
00:56:42,309 --> 00:56:40,559
oh no i haven't

1543
00:56:45,430 --> 00:56:42,319
and the car is capable of doing 200

1544
00:56:48,069 --> 00:56:45,440
kilometers an hour yeah

1545
00:56:49,270 --> 00:56:48,079
and at what stage did the object land on

1546
00:56:52,549 --> 00:56:49,280
your roof

1547
00:56:56,470 --> 00:56:52,559
oh how fast were you going at the time

1548
00:56:59,750 --> 00:56:56,480
i was doing about 200 i got a blowout

1549
00:57:03,829 --> 00:56:59,760
and once the car stopped i blanked

1550
00:57:05,030 --> 00:57:03,839
out and i don't know what happened after

1551
00:57:07,109 --> 00:57:05,040
that

1552
00:57:08,549 --> 00:57:07,119
it wasn't definitely on the roof how do

1553
00:57:12,950 --> 00:57:08,559
we know you're telling the truth

1554
00:57:17,030 --> 00:57:15,270
but a lot of people think that you are

1555
00:57:20,230 --> 00:57:17,040
making it up do you realize that

1556
00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:20,240
that's not true no way

1557
00:57:25,270 --> 00:57:22,160
when it landed on the car what what

1558
00:57:27,589 --> 00:57:25,280
happened we were screaming and yelling

1559
00:57:30,309 --> 00:57:27,599
as it landed on the car that's when my

1560
00:57:31,990 --> 00:57:30,319
tire blew out

1561
00:57:33,470 --> 00:57:32,000
smoke started coming in the car snake

1562
00:57:35,270 --> 00:57:33,480
started to come in the car

1563
00:57:38,470 --> 00:57:35,280
[Music]

1564
00:57:40,390 --> 00:57:38,480
and that's when i just blanked out

1565
00:57:42,950 --> 00:57:40,400
there was one report that your voices

1566
00:57:46,069 --> 00:57:42,960
changed is that correct yes they did

1567
00:57:48,870 --> 00:57:46,079
in what way really deep and

1568
00:57:51,109 --> 00:57:48,880
slow and i don't know we started sound

1569
00:57:54,390 --> 00:57:51,119
like that

1570
00:57:55,910 --> 00:57:54,400
real deep deeper in that even it was

1571
00:57:59,510 --> 00:57:55,920
so deep you know it's really hard to

1572
00:58:03,190 --> 00:57:59,520
explain more or less like our voice

1573
00:58:05,430 --> 00:58:03,200
kind of died at as we're talking

1574
00:58:06,789 --> 00:58:05,440
if a car has a blowout at 200 kilometers

1575
00:58:07,589 --> 00:58:06,799
an hour there is a danger in it that it

1576
00:58:10,870 --> 00:58:07,599
would overturn

1577
00:58:17,349 --> 00:58:10,880
how come you didn't there's weight

1578
00:58:27,990 --> 00:58:19,430
okay martin uh stand by we're coming

1579
00:58:36,390 --> 00:58:31,670
stand by in

1580
00:58:38,630 --> 00:58:36,400
3 2 1 go

1581
00:58:40,870 --> 00:58:38,640
all right uh welcome back to the show my

1582
00:58:44,309 --> 00:58:40,880
guest tonight is irene priven

1583
00:58:48,230 --> 00:58:44,319
and uh we uh were talking about this

1584
00:58:50,069 --> 00:58:48,240
very unusual case irene uh welcome back

1585
00:58:52,710 --> 00:58:50,079
thank you well what did you think of

1586
00:58:56,309 --> 00:58:52,720
that do you think they were lying

1587
00:58:58,870 --> 00:58:56,319
um i thought they were very on edge um

1588
00:58:59,910 --> 00:58:58,880
and for the person at kgra radio where

1589
00:59:03,349 --> 00:58:59,920
basically

1590
00:59:05,109 --> 00:59:03,359
this uh you know family is all 36 hours

1591
00:59:08,150 --> 00:59:05,119
after the incident they're all

1592
00:59:10,470 --> 00:59:08,160
um almost being interrogated

1593
00:59:11,589 --> 00:59:10,480
uh they all seem nervous i don't i don't

1594
00:59:13,910 --> 00:59:11,599
see any signs of

1595
00:59:14,789 --> 00:59:13,920
um that they're lying it's a very

1596
00:59:17,670 --> 00:59:14,799
unusual

1597
00:59:17,990 --> 00:59:17,680
story though uh especially this gas

1598
00:59:21,030 --> 00:59:18,000
comes

1599
00:59:24,789 --> 00:59:21,040
in the window uh and

1600
00:59:28,470 --> 00:59:24,799
makes their voices change uh and

1601
00:59:31,589 --> 00:59:28,480
i didn't know i mean a car can go 200

1602
00:59:34,630 --> 00:59:31,599
kilometers an hour that's what is that

1603
00:59:37,829 --> 00:59:34,640
uh 160 miles an hour or something for

1604
00:59:40,470 --> 00:59:37,839
uh that's that's really fast um

1605
00:59:41,910 --> 00:59:40,480
and it's bizarre like if you blow a tire

1606
00:59:43,829 --> 00:59:41,920
at that speed you'd think the car would

1607
00:59:46,710 --> 00:59:43,839
be flipping over

1608
00:59:47,510 --> 00:59:46,720
but uh but i don't i don't what are your

1609
00:59:48,630 --> 00:59:47,520
thoughts on that whole

1610
00:59:50,789 --> 00:59:48,640
and we're going to play another clip

1611
00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:50,799
here in a second too

1612
00:59:54,069 --> 00:59:52,319
at the time and there was a lot of

1613
00:59:55,670 --> 00:59:54,079
ridicule it was so bizarre

1614
00:59:57,190 --> 00:59:55,680
it was so bizarre that nobody could

1615
00:59:58,549 --> 00:59:57,200
believe it yet they

1616
01:00:00,630 --> 00:59:58,559
you can see that they're a salt of the

1617
01:00:03,589 --> 01:00:00,640
earth family though

1618
01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:03,599
from western australia they had this is

1619
01:00:07,030 --> 01:00:04,400
not a

1620
01:00:08,630 --> 01:00:07,040
victorian case this is another you know

1621
01:00:10,069 --> 01:00:08,640
i think it was investigated by paul

1622
01:00:13,190 --> 01:00:10,079
norman or

1623
01:00:15,430 --> 01:00:13,200
anyway um yeah paul norman thoroughly

1624
01:00:19,270 --> 01:00:15,440
investigated this case yes he did

1625
01:00:21,910 --> 01:00:19,280
um and yeah they

1626
01:00:23,750 --> 01:00:21,920
you can see that they're um they're not

1627
01:00:27,829 --> 01:00:23,760
the sort of people that would be into

1628
01:00:29,270 --> 01:00:27,839
ufos or imagine imagine this

1629
01:00:31,510 --> 01:00:29,280
that's my feeling at the time i just

1630
01:00:33,430 --> 01:00:31,520
sort of passed it off along

1631
01:00:35,430 --> 01:00:33,440
side everybody else's oh this is so

1632
01:00:35,670 --> 01:00:35,440
nonsensical we can't we can't cope with

1633
01:00:39,430 --> 01:00:35,680
it

1634
01:00:42,789 --> 01:00:39,440
wrong but they all seem

1635
01:00:44,549 --> 01:00:42,799
very shy too the shot um

1636
01:00:46,470 --> 01:00:44,559
the car she was driving it was a brand

1637
01:00:48,549 --> 01:00:46,480
new car so clearly they were working

1638
01:00:51,990 --> 01:00:48,559
hard to get that car

1639
01:00:53,829 --> 01:00:52,000
um so they were sort of like

1640
01:00:55,270 --> 01:00:53,839
in in the western witnesses ordinary

1641
01:00:58,630 --> 01:00:55,280
working people

1642
01:01:00,870 --> 01:00:58,640
that don't [\h__\h] and

1643
01:01:01,750 --> 01:01:00,880
i don't see i mean they had a lot of

1644
01:01:03,349 --> 01:01:01,760
[\h__\h] well

1645
01:01:06,150 --> 01:01:03,359
if i shouldn't say that word on the air

1646
01:01:09,270 --> 01:01:06,160
but they had a lot of um

1647
01:01:11,589 --> 01:01:09,280
you know disbelief especially by the

1648
01:01:13,109 --> 01:01:11,599
media laid on them because nobody knew

1649
01:01:14,630 --> 01:01:13,119
i mean i think if it happened today

1650
01:01:15,910 --> 01:01:14,640
there would be more of an openness and

1651
01:01:16,710 --> 01:01:15,920
people think oh yeah there is a

1652
01:01:18,710 --> 01:01:16,720
possibility

1653
01:01:20,710 --> 01:01:18,720
understanding a little bit more about

1654
01:01:21,190 --> 01:01:20,720
you know the weird wonders of physics

1655
01:01:26,470 --> 01:01:21,200
and

1656
01:01:28,230 --> 01:01:26,480
stuff on the internet to read about

1657
01:01:29,829 --> 01:01:28,240
you know other experiences that people

1658
01:01:31,829 --> 01:01:29,839
have had of times

1659
01:01:33,270 --> 01:01:31,839
seeming as though it had slowed down now

1660
01:01:36,230 --> 01:01:33,280
i want to sort of

1661
01:01:36,870 --> 01:01:36,240
bring highlight another case which

1662
01:01:40,630 --> 01:01:36,880
happened

1663
01:01:43,109 --> 01:01:40,640
in um uh 1967

1664
01:01:44,950 --> 01:01:43,119
in western australia so not exactly the

1665
01:01:46,230 --> 01:01:44,960
same area but a similar area in the

1666
01:01:49,349 --> 01:01:46,240
middle of nowhere out

1667
01:01:52,069 --> 01:01:49,359
in the outback and he

1668
01:01:53,430 --> 01:01:52,079
this fellow was they called him mr

1669
01:01:56,549 --> 01:01:53,440
harris i'm not sure if it was

1670
01:01:57,990 --> 01:01:56,559
his real name i'm wondering if we could

1671
01:02:00,470 --> 01:01:58,000
follow up though with the other

1672
01:02:02,069 --> 01:02:00,480
clip on this first before we get into

1673
01:02:03,990 --> 01:02:02,079
that case because that case is

1674
01:02:05,990 --> 01:02:04,000
that is one i do want to talk about so

1675
01:02:09,270 --> 01:02:06,000
let's play this uh the second clip

1676
01:02:11,670 --> 01:02:09,280
um that continues on with that same

1677
01:02:13,750 --> 01:02:11,680
family being interviewed here it goes

1678
01:02:15,910 --> 01:02:13,760
was the car on the road at all times or

1679
01:02:18,950 --> 01:02:15,920
was it lifted off as has been reported

1680
01:02:21,990 --> 01:02:18,960
we don't really know a bit

1681
01:02:22,950 --> 01:02:22,000
how long did it uh how long was it with

1682
01:02:25,589 --> 01:02:22,960
you this object

1683
01:02:27,510 --> 01:02:25,599
for about five or ten minutes we think

1684
01:02:29,990 --> 01:02:27,520
were there any sounds or smells

1685
01:02:34,950 --> 01:02:30,000
yes it was a sound it sounded like a

1686
01:02:37,990 --> 01:02:34,960
humming sound it sounded like and

1687
01:02:39,430 --> 01:02:38,000
when it was on the roof i went down the

1688
01:02:41,029 --> 01:02:39,440
window

1689
01:02:43,430 --> 01:02:41,039
and all this smoke started coming was

1690
01:02:45,029 --> 01:02:43,440
like a grayish black mist

1691
01:02:46,470 --> 01:02:45,039
and that's when our voices started to

1692
01:02:48,150 --> 01:02:46,480
change

1693
01:02:49,510 --> 01:02:48,160
our voice just went really deep and

1694
01:02:51,190 --> 01:02:49,520
strange

1695
01:02:53,029 --> 01:02:51,200
and we found like we felt like we were

1696
01:02:56,309 --> 01:02:53,039
dying

1697
01:02:57,029 --> 01:02:56,319
and uh the break bro chucked the brakes

1698
01:02:58,789 --> 01:02:57,039
on the car

1699
01:03:00,549 --> 01:02:58,799
and this thing just shot off and as it

1700
01:03:03,109 --> 01:03:00,559
shut off

1701
01:03:04,549 --> 01:03:03,119
we just sit out in the bushes got out

1702
01:03:06,789 --> 01:03:04,559
the car he died in the bushes wait for

1703
01:03:09,589 --> 01:03:06,799
about 10-15 minutes

1704
01:03:10,870 --> 01:03:09,599
we went back to the car took this took

1705
01:03:12,150 --> 01:03:10,880
the wheel off

1706
01:03:13,990 --> 01:03:12,160
chucked out in the boot got the spare

1707
01:03:15,990 --> 01:03:14,000
wheel out put that on

1708
01:03:17,270 --> 01:03:16,000
and we just let down jack we didn't

1709
01:03:18,549 --> 01:03:17,280
worry about jack we just chucked the

1710
01:03:21,270 --> 01:03:18,559
jack in the bushes

1711
01:03:23,670 --> 01:03:21,280
and we just shut off and then it started

1712
01:03:25,750 --> 01:03:23,680
to follow us again

1713
01:03:27,270 --> 01:03:25,760
and it started coming down body was

1714
01:03:30,150 --> 01:03:27,280
starting to get daylight

1715
01:03:31,430 --> 01:03:30,160
and it just seemed to lose us for some

1716
01:03:32,630 --> 01:03:31,440
reason we turned the headlights off and

1717
01:03:34,789 --> 01:03:32,640
that's when it lost us

1718
01:03:36,069 --> 01:03:34,799
patrick had any of you been drinking no

1719
01:03:38,390 --> 01:03:36,079
no way no

1720
01:03:39,589 --> 01:03:38,400
were you tired i was a bit tired yeah

1721
01:03:41,589 --> 01:03:39,599
but

1722
01:03:43,270 --> 01:03:41,599
not tight enough to see a thing like

1723
01:03:44,710 --> 01:03:43,280
that and how scared were you patrick i

1724
01:03:47,829 --> 01:03:44,720
was really scared

1725
01:03:48,789 --> 01:03:47,839
tariff scared us i've ever been well

1726
01:03:49,910 --> 01:03:48,799
what was your feelings

1727
01:03:51,990 --> 01:03:49,920
what were you feeling at the time when

1728
01:03:53,750 --> 01:03:52,000
this was all happening

1729
01:03:55,670 --> 01:03:53,760
that's what i felt like we just made us

1730
01:03:57,990 --> 01:03:55,680
feel like we're dying have you had any

1731
01:03:59,670 --> 01:03:58,000
unusual feelings since it happened ah a

1732
01:04:00,309 --> 01:03:59,680
bit sick or was it i won't turn the

1733
01:04:05,349 --> 01:04:00,319
lights off

1734
01:04:08,390 --> 01:04:06,950
any other feelings what about you wayne

1735
01:04:11,589 --> 01:04:08,400
how do you feel about it all

1736
01:04:12,549 --> 01:04:11,599
pretty scary what was the worst part of

1737
01:04:17,190 --> 01:04:12,559
it for you

1738
01:04:20,309 --> 01:04:19,109
you wouldn't would you be happy to go

1739
01:04:21,670 --> 01:04:20,319
back there and have a look around to see

1740
01:04:23,750 --> 01:04:21,680
what had happened

1741
01:04:24,870 --> 01:04:23,760
not really i don't want to go back so

1742
01:04:27,910 --> 01:04:24,880
just just summing up

1743
01:04:29,190 --> 01:04:27,920
do any of you have any idea of wayne uh

1744
01:04:31,510 --> 01:04:29,200
sean you think it was a

1745
01:04:32,950 --> 01:04:31,520
spaceship what about yourself mrs

1746
01:04:34,549 --> 01:04:32,960
knowles do you have any other i reckon

1747
01:04:35,510 --> 01:04:34,559
it was a bfr or something you know

1748
01:04:37,270 --> 01:04:35,520
because

1749
01:04:39,750 --> 01:04:37,280
it was strange it was fallenness

1750
01:04:42,630 --> 01:04:39,760
everywhere when i was alone

1751
01:04:45,750 --> 01:04:42,640
i was a nervous wreck when i got up to

1752
01:04:49,589 --> 01:04:47,029
well thank you very much for telling us

1753
01:04:52,230 --> 01:04:49,599
your story and

1754
01:04:54,230 --> 01:04:52,240
take it easy on the roads thank you

1755
01:04:57,109 --> 01:04:54,240
thank you

1756
01:04:58,710 --> 01:04:57,119
now where was this uh it was it it was

1757
01:05:01,910 --> 01:04:58,720
in a desolate area right

1758
01:05:03,990 --> 01:05:01,920
there was there it was was it the

1759
01:05:06,230 --> 01:05:04,000
outback actually

1760
01:05:08,470 --> 01:05:06,240
it was a a stretch of road called the

1761
01:05:10,150 --> 01:05:08,480
nullarbor plane

1762
01:05:11,750 --> 01:05:10,160
because called the nullable because it

1763
01:05:13,829 --> 01:05:11,760
has absolutely no tree so

1764
01:05:15,750 --> 01:05:13,839
it's pretty much a desert area and it

1765
01:05:16,789 --> 01:05:15,760
takes four days i think four days to

1766
01:05:20,150 --> 01:05:16,799
drive from

1767
01:05:22,549 --> 01:05:20,160
adelaide to to perth so that gives you

1768
01:05:25,750 --> 01:05:22,559
an idea it's a very long stretch of road

1769
01:05:26,390 --> 01:05:25,760
so um where does someone get fuel petrol

1770
01:05:28,789 --> 01:05:26,400
on

1771
01:05:29,910 --> 01:05:28,799
i think there's a couple of fuel stops

1772
01:05:32,710 --> 01:05:29,920
it's pretty much

1773
01:05:34,309 --> 01:05:32,720
virtually nothing like tiny towns or or

1774
01:05:37,910 --> 01:05:34,319
a few i haven't actually been

1775
01:05:38,870 --> 01:05:37,920
across there myself but i know people

1776
01:05:42,150 --> 01:05:38,880
who have

1777
01:05:44,710 --> 01:05:42,160
and so yeah there are no virtually no

1778
01:05:45,510 --> 01:05:44,720
townships or very few townships um along

1779
01:05:49,109 --> 01:05:45,520
the way

1780
01:05:51,910 --> 01:05:49,119
um so very desolate there was

1781
01:05:53,589 --> 01:05:51,920
uh another witness at least a a truck

1782
01:05:54,950 --> 01:05:53,599
driver they said that there was a lady

1783
01:05:57,990 --> 01:05:54,960
truck driver who

1784
01:06:00,150 --> 01:05:58,000
who saw what happened as well um

1785
01:06:02,230 --> 01:06:00,160
there was another news report which i've

1786
01:06:06,470 --> 01:06:02,240
sent you we may not have time to look at

1787
01:06:08,390 --> 01:06:06,480
um where um a journalist delved in

1788
01:06:09,589 --> 01:06:08,400
into it and said that at around the same

1789
01:06:11,670 --> 01:06:09,599
time there were some

1790
01:06:12,870 --> 01:06:11,680
fishermen that see some fishing ships

1791
01:06:15,990 --> 01:06:12,880
that were being

1792
01:06:19,430 --> 01:06:16,000
harassed by a ufo

1793
01:06:20,390 --> 01:06:19,440
um so yeah there was certainly something

1794
01:06:22,950 --> 01:06:20,400
going on

1795
01:06:24,710 --> 01:06:22,960
uh repeatedly at that time and uh if i

1796
01:06:26,150 --> 01:06:24,720
just go back to the other case which

1797
01:06:28,710 --> 01:06:26,160
i've discovered recently

1798
01:06:30,630 --> 01:06:28,720
in 1967 a similar thing happened in a

1799
01:06:33,670 --> 01:06:30,640
similar place

1800
01:06:35,270 --> 01:06:33,680
to a guy who he was didn't have any

1801
01:06:37,190 --> 01:06:35,280
witnesses but they did

1802
01:06:38,390 --> 01:06:37,200
put him through a psychiatric uh

1803
01:06:41,670 --> 01:06:38,400
examination

1804
01:06:44,789 --> 01:06:41,680
as well um he was um

1805
01:06:46,549 --> 01:06:44,799
driving um at 60 miles an hour

1806
01:06:48,309 --> 01:06:46,559
this is before our metric conversion so

1807
01:06:51,510 --> 01:06:48,319
we were using miles

1808
01:06:55,349 --> 01:06:51,520
per hour and he um

1809
01:06:57,270 --> 01:06:55,359
had a light um

1810
01:06:59,349 --> 01:06:57,280
immerse him like he was immersed in a

1811
01:07:01,430 --> 01:06:59,359
beam of light which

1812
01:07:02,470 --> 01:07:01,440
had him emanated from a ufo that had

1813
01:07:05,990 --> 01:07:02,480
turned up

1814
01:07:07,270 --> 01:07:06,000
and um his he had this sensation that

1815
01:07:10,510 --> 01:07:07,280
the car

1816
01:07:13,109 --> 01:07:10,520
had um stopped so it

1817
01:07:15,190 --> 01:07:13,119
instantaneously stopped going from 60

1818
01:07:18,230 --> 01:07:15,200
miles an hour to stopping

1819
01:07:20,870 --> 01:07:18,240
and they had a physicist um this is the

1820
01:07:21,589 --> 01:07:20,880
vuforce people had examined the case had

1821
01:07:24,710 --> 01:07:21,599
a physicist

1822
01:07:26,630 --> 01:07:24,720
comment on this um they

1823
01:07:28,230 --> 01:07:26,640
the physicist really had a problem that

1824
01:07:31,430 --> 01:07:28,240
the car had

1825
01:07:34,549 --> 01:07:31,440
was able to stop completely at

1826
01:07:37,750 --> 01:07:34,559
with no feeling of deceleration and then

1827
01:07:39,990 --> 01:07:37,760
start up again and the the driver the

1828
01:07:41,430 --> 01:07:40,000
the witness reported that the radio and

1829
01:07:41,990 --> 01:07:41,440
the engine and everything had stopped

1830
01:07:45,270 --> 01:07:42,000
during the time

1831
01:07:46,789 --> 01:07:45,280
that the beam was on him um and

1832
01:07:48,630 --> 01:07:46,799
the physicist was saying if there's no

1833
01:07:50,870 --> 01:07:48,640
feeling of deceleration

1834
01:07:52,630 --> 01:07:50,880
and the car had stopped it would have

1835
01:07:53,829 --> 01:07:52,640
played havoc with his body he could not

1836
01:07:56,950 --> 01:07:53,839
have stopped it would

1837
01:07:59,270 --> 01:07:56,960
would have been impossible um so no

1838
01:08:01,109 --> 01:07:59,280
change of speed and he would have just

1839
01:08:02,710 --> 01:08:01,119
and it would have affected the car as

1840
01:08:05,029 --> 01:08:02,720
well um

1841
01:08:06,470 --> 01:08:05,039
so yeah it was a similar thing where um

1842
01:08:09,589 --> 01:08:06,480
an object appeared

1843
01:08:13,029 --> 01:08:09,599
you know like a bright light appeared

1844
01:08:16,470 --> 01:08:13,039
hovered over the car shone its beam down

1845
01:08:19,669 --> 01:08:16,480
created these strange effects um and

1846
01:08:27,910 --> 01:08:19,679
the witness survived to tell the story

1847
01:08:32,709 --> 01:08:30,550
if i was doing that interview not that

1848
01:08:33,189 --> 01:08:32,719
i'm any better than the interviewer at

1849
01:08:35,749 --> 01:08:33,199
all

1850
01:08:36,470 --> 01:08:35,759
but i mean i would ask okay so he he

1851
01:08:39,110 --> 01:08:36,480
blocks out

1852
01:08:40,309 --> 01:08:39,120
um i can't remember his name the the the

1853
01:08:41,990 --> 01:08:40,319
one that was driving

1854
01:08:43,749 --> 01:08:42,000
he said that he just blacked out and he

1855
01:08:45,990 --> 01:08:43,759
doesn't remember what happened

1856
01:08:47,030 --> 01:08:46,000
well what about everyone else did they

1857
01:08:48,870 --> 01:08:47,040
black out too

1858
01:08:50,390 --> 01:08:48,880
i mean they didn't there was no

1859
01:08:52,630 --> 01:08:50,400
discussion about that

1860
01:08:53,749 --> 01:08:52,640
um but it makes it sounds like a failed

1861
01:08:55,910 --> 01:08:53,759
abduction

1862
01:08:56,950 --> 01:08:55,920
attempt or something like that you know

1863
01:08:59,510 --> 01:08:56,960
possibly

1864
01:09:01,030 --> 01:08:59,520
but um it just seems like there's still

1865
01:09:03,510 --> 01:09:01,040
a lot more questions

1866
01:09:04,950 --> 01:09:03,520
to ask that that family did they ever

1867
01:09:06,550 --> 01:09:04,960
talk about it after that

1868
01:09:09,110 --> 01:09:06,560
that was only 36 hours after the

1869
01:09:11,110 --> 01:09:09,120
incident they were grilled by the media

1870
01:09:15,269 --> 01:09:11,120
it was a media sensation

1871
01:09:16,950 --> 01:09:15,279
um and then they were so badly treated

1872
01:09:18,950 --> 01:09:16,960
about that that they refused to talk

1873
01:09:20,709 --> 01:09:18,960
about it to anyone ever again

1874
01:09:22,470 --> 01:09:20,719
which is really tragic because i think

1875
01:09:23,749 --> 01:09:22,480
they could have a lot to offer if people

1876
01:09:25,749 --> 01:09:23,759
ask the right questions

1877
01:09:27,189 --> 01:09:25,759
and i think i'll try and dig up um a

1878
01:09:31,349 --> 01:09:27,199
little more about

1879
01:09:34,229 --> 01:09:31,359
what was encountered at the time by the

1880
01:09:36,229 --> 01:09:34,239
ufo researchers but certainly there was

1881
01:09:37,829 --> 01:09:36,239
an interview that i don't

1882
01:09:40,070 --> 01:09:37,839
know we probably won't be able to show

1883
01:09:43,110 --> 01:09:40,080
that one where there's a

1884
01:09:44,149 --> 01:09:43,120
a well-known um uh journalist called

1885
01:09:45,990 --> 01:09:44,159
darren hinch

1886
01:09:47,749 --> 01:09:46,000
he's very well known here in australia

1887
01:09:49,669 --> 01:09:47,759
and he even made it to parliament he was

1888
01:09:51,269 --> 01:09:49,679
until recently serving um

1889
01:09:52,789 --> 01:09:51,279
as an independent member i think in

1890
01:09:56,149 --> 01:09:52,799
parliament and he

1891
01:09:59,270 --> 01:09:56,159
was um he made his himself known

1892
01:10:00,630 --> 01:09:59,280
for um supporting people who had been

1893
01:10:03,350 --> 01:10:00,640
cases of

1894
01:10:04,950 --> 01:10:03,360
victims of sexual abuse and he was he

1895
01:10:05,669 --> 01:10:04,960
got into a lot of trouble because he

1896
01:10:08,630 --> 01:10:05,679
would name

1897
01:10:09,830 --> 01:10:08,640
um the perpetrators on air and causes a

1898
01:10:13,189 --> 01:10:09,840
lot of controversy

1899
01:10:13,830 --> 01:10:13,199
because um yeah he wasn't supposed to do

1900
01:10:17,669 --> 01:10:13,840
that

1901
01:10:21,270 --> 01:10:17,679
um but yeah he would be supporting of um

1902
01:10:23,430 --> 01:10:21,280
survivors of of of abuse yet he

1903
01:10:24,709 --> 01:10:23,440
himself when he was interviewing these

1904
01:10:26,790 --> 01:10:24,719
people at the time

1905
01:10:27,910 --> 01:10:26,800
made a disparaging comment about little

1906
01:10:30,470 --> 01:10:27,920
green men and just

1907
01:10:31,910 --> 01:10:30,480
he just made it plain that it was an

1908
01:10:33,430 --> 01:10:31,920
unbelievable story

1909
01:10:35,189 --> 01:10:33,440
and i thought on one hand these people

1910
01:10:35,910 --> 01:10:35,199
have been traumatized by something very

1911
01:10:39,510 --> 01:10:35,920
weird

1912
01:10:41,669 --> 01:10:39,520
and he does not support them yet yeah

1913
01:10:43,350 --> 01:10:41,679
yeah just i just found that confusing

1914
01:10:45,030 --> 01:10:43,360
that he would um

1915
01:10:46,390 --> 01:10:45,040
you know believe one case but not

1916
01:10:49,750 --> 01:10:46,400
believe another

1917
01:10:52,550 --> 01:10:49,760
yeah that's not too kind um yeah

1918
01:10:53,830 --> 01:10:52,560
uh yeah that is that's that's a very

1919
01:10:55,510 --> 01:10:53,840
interesting case i

1920
01:10:57,030 --> 01:10:55,520
i don't think i ever heard of that one

1921
01:11:00,390 --> 01:10:57,040
now i think um

1922
01:11:02,470 --> 01:11:00,400
the woman said that she reached up on

1923
01:11:02,870 --> 01:11:02,480
top of the car and it felt like a sponge

1924
01:11:07,189 --> 01:11:02,880
like

1925
01:11:08,790 --> 01:11:07,199
did anyone ever look at the surface of

1926
01:11:12,149 --> 01:11:08,800
the top of their car

1927
01:11:15,830 --> 01:11:12,159
yeah they uh found that there was um

1928
01:11:18,709 --> 01:11:15,840
a whole lot of dust like dark black dust

1929
01:11:20,149 --> 01:11:18,719
and it was taken for analysis and we

1930
01:11:22,709 --> 01:11:20,159
don't know what the findings

1931
01:11:24,709 --> 01:11:22,719
of i think that they were not able to

1932
01:11:26,229 --> 01:11:24,719
conclude what it came from

1933
01:11:29,430 --> 01:11:26,239
but once again that's something that

1934
01:11:33,990 --> 01:11:29,440
needs a little little more scrutiny just

1935
01:11:38,070 --> 01:11:34,000
um yeah a lot of mysteries about um

1936
01:11:40,630 --> 01:11:38,080
the case and the physical evidence

1937
01:11:42,229 --> 01:11:40,640
now um when we go back and we have a

1938
01:11:42,709 --> 01:11:42,239
question came up just a second i'll ask

1939
01:11:46,149 --> 01:11:42,719
that

1940
01:11:49,750 --> 01:11:46,159
um going back to the west all case and

1941
01:11:51,270 --> 01:11:49,760
the teacher that was harassed um it's

1942
01:11:53,990 --> 01:11:51,280
he's he mentioned that there was a

1943
01:11:57,189 --> 01:11:54,000
military uh one military

1944
01:12:00,149 --> 01:11:57,199
uh person in uniform um so

1945
01:12:02,310 --> 01:12:00,159
does the military as far as you know in

1946
01:12:04,870 --> 01:12:02,320
australia get involved in these cases

1947
01:12:05,510 --> 01:12:04,880
and looking into them or or were they

1948
01:12:07,350 --> 01:12:05,520
also

1949
01:12:09,590 --> 01:12:07,360
the people that were telling them at

1950
01:12:12,070 --> 01:12:09,600
westall not to talk about this

1951
01:12:13,350 --> 01:12:12,080
yeah the witnesses report that people in

1952
01:12:15,430 --> 01:12:13,360
uniform turned up

1953
01:12:17,510 --> 01:12:15,440
when i asked them can they remember any

1954
01:12:19,669 --> 01:12:17,520
kind of insignia on their uniform

1955
01:12:21,270 --> 01:12:19,679
nobody could remember seeing any

1956
01:12:23,270 --> 01:12:21,280
insignia

1957
01:12:24,950 --> 01:12:23,280
i think it could be a couple of things

1958
01:12:26,709 --> 01:12:24,960
they were children and they didn't think

1959
01:12:27,430 --> 01:12:26,719
to take notice and there was a lot going

1960
01:12:29,669 --> 01:12:27,440
on

1961
01:12:31,990 --> 01:12:29,679
or maybe they were just wearing uniforms

1962
01:12:35,430 --> 01:12:32,000
which were not marked which was

1963
01:12:38,630 --> 01:12:35,440
a bit strange so

1964
01:12:41,750 --> 01:12:38,640
and even the adult um as far as we know

1965
01:12:43,590 --> 01:12:41,760
andrew greenwood did not i don't know

1966
01:12:44,390 --> 01:12:43,600
how he couldn't have noticed if it said

1967
01:12:47,669 --> 01:12:44,400
army or

1968
01:12:48,950 --> 01:12:47,679
air force or navy i think he

1969
01:12:50,790 --> 01:12:48,960
probably that would have been something

1970
01:12:51,830 --> 01:12:50,800
that stuck in his mind but that didn't

1971
01:12:54,870 --> 01:12:51,840
come out

1972
01:12:57,189 --> 01:12:54,880
um he may have been asked i'm not sure i

1973
01:13:00,229 --> 01:12:57,199
would be surprised if he wasn't asked

1974
01:13:01,830 --> 01:13:00,239
um if he remembered what sort of i

1975
01:13:04,390 --> 01:13:01,840
believe that they were

1976
01:13:04,870 --> 01:13:04,400
unmarked but military-looking oh

1977
01:13:07,830 --> 01:13:04,880
actually

1978
01:13:08,550 --> 01:13:07,840
evan the witness who who saw the the the

1979
01:13:10,550 --> 01:13:08,560
circle

1980
01:13:12,229 --> 01:13:10,560
left the the trace left in the ground i

1981
01:13:14,790 --> 01:13:12,239
think he also

1982
01:13:16,070 --> 01:13:14,800
couldn't he was a uni student he

1983
01:13:19,030 --> 01:13:16,080
couldn't remember

1984
01:13:20,709 --> 01:13:19,040
any kind of markings or insignia and

1985
01:13:21,830 --> 01:13:20,719
also you'll see in the documentary that

1986
01:13:27,750 --> 01:13:21,840
they

1987
01:13:29,510 --> 01:13:27,760
i mean if you look at the distances um

1988
01:13:30,950 --> 01:13:29,520
that the military-based people would

1989
01:13:33,910 --> 01:13:30,960
have have to travel

1990
01:13:35,270 --> 01:13:33,920
um they were onto it they were aware

1991
01:13:38,310 --> 01:13:35,280
that it was happening

1992
01:13:41,990 --> 01:13:38,320
because of the speed at which they

1993
01:13:45,110 --> 01:13:42,000
they showed up after the saucer

1994
01:13:46,310 --> 01:13:45,120
was present yeah that that is not an

1995
01:13:49,350 --> 01:13:46,320
uncommon theme you hear

1996
01:13:50,229 --> 01:13:49,360
you hear about that um that they somehow

1997
01:13:52,630 --> 01:13:50,239
seem to show up

1998
01:13:53,990 --> 01:13:52,640
you know you talk about like keksburg uh

1999
01:13:56,630 --> 01:13:54,000
there's a bunch of uh

2000
01:13:57,430 --> 01:13:56,640
um incidents where the military all of a

2001
01:14:00,310 --> 01:13:57,440
sudden they're just

2002
01:14:00,709 --> 01:14:00,320
instantly there and now this question is

2003
01:14:05,350 --> 01:14:00,719
uh

2004
01:14:09,270 --> 01:14:05,360
i do you know anything about the middle

2005
01:14:13,510 --> 01:14:09,280
mount uh queensland ufo case of july 19

2006
01:14:15,990 --> 01:14:13,520
2019 no sorry you've never heard of that

2007
01:14:16,950 --> 01:14:16,000
well queensland's on the other side of

2008
01:14:19,030 --> 01:14:16,960
it's like

2009
01:14:20,790 --> 01:14:19,040
oh where are you you're around new york

2010
01:14:23,990 --> 01:14:20,800
it's like you

2011
01:14:25,830 --> 01:14:24,000
i don't know it's on the other side

2012
01:14:27,750 --> 01:14:25,840
it's on the other side of the country we

2013
01:14:30,630 --> 01:14:27,760
don't really

2014
01:14:31,750 --> 01:14:30,640
cover the cases um it's a big distance

2015
01:14:33,430 --> 01:14:31,760
away

2016
01:14:35,030 --> 01:14:33,440
so it'd be like you're covering a case

2017
01:14:36,149 --> 01:14:35,040
on the other side of the united states

2018
01:14:39,510 --> 01:14:36,159
it's a they're

2019
01:14:41,669 --> 01:14:39,520
difficult to act but we might hear about

2020
01:14:45,189 --> 01:14:41,679
stuff but i personally i'm sorry i

2021
01:14:47,430 --> 01:14:45,199
don't know about that okay sure um other

2022
01:14:49,669 --> 01:14:47,440
is there um you know how you have the

2023
01:14:51,350 --> 01:14:49,679
victoria ufo action is there a group

2024
01:14:55,350 --> 01:14:51,360
over in queensland as well

2025
01:14:59,430 --> 01:14:55,360
yes there is um yeah um

2026
01:14:59,830 --> 01:14:59,440
we um have some interaction with them

2027
01:15:01,510 --> 01:14:59,840
but

2028
01:15:03,750 --> 01:15:01,520
because of the distance we can't sort of

2029
01:15:05,910 --> 01:15:03,760
travel to um

2030
01:15:07,669 --> 01:15:05,920
i think some of the people in our group

2031
01:15:09,189 --> 01:15:07,679
do have more interaction or have been to

2032
01:15:12,470 --> 01:15:09,199
their conferences but

2033
01:15:14,790 --> 01:15:12,480
um i don't i don't know much about

2034
01:15:17,430 --> 01:15:14,800
what's happening there i'm sorry

2035
01:15:17,830 --> 01:15:17,440
yeah david makes a a good point here

2036
01:15:21,189 --> 01:15:17,840
dave

2037
01:15:22,950 --> 01:15:21,199
from the uk the military were probably

2038
01:15:24,390 --> 01:15:22,960
within 20 minutes so they were probably

2039
01:15:26,310 --> 01:15:24,400
tracking it and that's

2040
01:15:28,310 --> 01:15:26,320
that's really interesting take yeah that

2041
01:15:28,550 --> 01:15:28,320
could be it they may have been tracking

2042
01:15:32,390 --> 01:15:28,560
it

2043
01:15:34,310 --> 01:15:32,400
to uh to the school when that happened

2044
01:15:35,910 --> 01:15:34,320
and then there's a mystery of the the

2045
01:15:37,750 --> 01:15:35,920
airplanes i think

2046
01:15:39,510 --> 01:15:37,760
if anyone who's interested in the

2047
01:15:42,550 --> 01:15:39,520
westall case will know

2048
01:15:46,149 --> 01:15:42,560
that the airplanes um the

2049
01:15:47,910 --> 01:15:46,159
the the log books were checked

2050
01:15:49,990 --> 01:15:47,920
at moorabbin airport i think shane went

2051
01:15:51,590 --> 01:15:50,000
and looked at uh trying to get

2052
01:15:53,430 --> 01:15:51,600
who might have been flying those planes

2053
01:15:55,350 --> 01:15:53,440
but there was no there were no entries

2054
01:15:57,189 --> 01:15:55,360
which is quite bizarre

2055
01:15:58,709 --> 01:15:57,199
there were five planes seen flying

2056
01:16:01,030 --> 01:15:58,719
around by many people

2057
01:16:03,189 --> 01:16:01,040
but there were no records of who was

2058
01:16:05,110 --> 01:16:03,199
flying those planes

2059
01:16:07,430 --> 01:16:05,120
isn't that something so they they don't

2060
01:16:11,270 --> 01:16:07,440
know if they are military planes or not

2061
01:16:13,590 --> 01:16:11,280
basically yeah what a what a mystery

2062
01:16:14,709 --> 01:16:13,600
and uh yeah i know we already talked

2063
01:16:17,669 --> 01:16:14,719
about that it's just

2064
01:16:18,830 --> 01:16:17,679
it's just one of those uh it's probably

2065
01:16:21,910 --> 01:16:18,840
your

2066
01:16:25,270 --> 01:16:21,920
roswell right oh yeah definitely

2067
01:16:28,550 --> 01:16:25,280
definitely roswell

2068
01:16:31,830 --> 01:16:28,560
and uh a case that but

2069
01:16:32,870 --> 01:16:31,840
would you say that um you think that's a

2070
01:16:35,270 --> 01:16:32,880
consistent case

2071
01:16:36,470 --> 01:16:35,280
roswell's not so consistent but that

2072
01:16:37,990 --> 01:16:36,480
case in particular

2073
01:16:40,390 --> 01:16:38,000
seems fairly consistent with the

2074
01:16:42,950 --> 01:16:40,400
witnesses

2075
01:16:44,310 --> 01:16:42,960
yeah i think what shane has done is a

2076
01:16:47,110 --> 01:16:44,320
pretty thorough job

2077
01:16:48,470 --> 01:16:47,120
he has a facebook site which he keeps

2078
01:16:51,110 --> 01:16:48,480
it's a closed group where

2079
01:16:52,709 --> 01:16:51,120
um he keeps everybody informed when he

2080
01:16:56,390 --> 01:16:52,719
finds out something

2081
01:16:58,070 --> 01:16:56,400
um so he's constantly

2082
01:16:59,910 --> 01:16:58,080
well not constantly but every now and

2083
01:17:01,590 --> 01:16:59,920
then something will pop up where he's

2084
01:17:04,630 --> 01:17:01,600
someone has approached him or he's found

2085
01:17:08,470 --> 01:17:04,640
another person who has information

2086
01:17:10,070 --> 01:17:08,480
relating to the case so um

2087
01:17:11,590 --> 01:17:10,080
i think he was talking about in your

2088
01:17:15,030 --> 01:17:11,600
interview about the person

2089
01:17:17,590 --> 01:17:15,040
who was a descendant of a

2090
01:17:18,070 --> 01:17:17,600
personnel from the department of supply

2091
01:17:21,350 --> 01:17:18,080
who

2092
01:17:23,830 --> 01:17:21,360
um had kept a journal

2093
01:17:25,590 --> 01:17:23,840
and the journal was mysteriously gone

2094
01:17:27,030 --> 01:17:25,600
missing the family don't know where it

2095
01:17:27,750 --> 01:17:27,040
is i don't know what's happening with

2096
01:17:31,510 --> 01:17:27,760
that

2097
01:17:33,750 --> 01:17:31,520
to go somewhere for a little while

2098
01:17:35,510 --> 01:17:33,760
which would be interesting to see if

2099
01:17:37,910 --> 01:17:35,520
he's got any more information on it

2100
01:17:39,830 --> 01:17:37,920
i'm really waiting for shane's book he

2101
01:17:41,750 --> 01:17:39,840
promises that he will be

2102
01:17:44,390 --> 01:17:41,760
releasing writing and releasing a book

2103
01:17:47,350 --> 01:17:44,400
and that would be fantastic if he could

2104
01:17:48,790 --> 01:17:47,360
do that quite soon yeah i i know we're

2105
01:17:50,709 --> 01:17:48,800
bouncing around a little bit but i do

2106
01:17:52,950 --> 01:17:50,719
want to go back to the knolls

2107
01:17:54,950 --> 01:17:52,960
case where we were talking about because

2108
01:17:56,229 --> 01:17:54,960
uh i'm kind of like churning things over

2109
01:17:59,430 --> 01:17:56,239
in my mind after

2110
01:18:01,669 --> 01:17:59,440
we watched that clip and it's

2111
01:18:02,550 --> 01:18:01,679
really bizarre i can't think of any

2112
01:18:04,390 --> 01:18:02,560
other incident

2113
01:18:07,110 --> 01:18:04,400
anywhere where anyone has ever talked

2114
01:18:08,390 --> 01:18:07,120
about like a mist being sprayed into

2115
01:18:10,390 --> 01:18:08,400
their car

2116
01:18:12,550 --> 01:18:10,400
um and then it changed their voice level

2117
01:18:15,110 --> 01:18:12,560
i mean if you were going to make up a

2118
01:18:19,350 --> 01:18:15,120
ufo story would you put that in it

2119
01:18:22,470 --> 01:18:19,360
i don't think so it's such a bizarre

2120
01:18:24,229 --> 01:18:22,480
bizarre thing if you read velaze cases

2121
01:18:26,070 --> 01:18:24,239
um it's impossible to read through all

2122
01:18:28,070 --> 01:18:26,080
them but um i had a crack

2123
01:18:29,910 --> 01:18:28,080
but there are some similar things and i

2124
01:18:30,790 --> 01:18:29,920
think i want to go and dig out something

2125
01:18:32,709 --> 01:18:30,800
about

2126
01:18:33,990 --> 01:18:32,719
mists occurring i don't know whether the

2127
01:18:34,870 --> 01:18:34,000
mist had something to do with their

2128
01:18:38,070 --> 01:18:34,880
voices

2129
01:18:40,870 --> 01:18:38,080
changing but i suspect if um

2130
01:18:42,149 --> 01:18:40,880
from other cases this is not unfamiliar

2131
01:18:45,270 --> 01:18:42,159
actually after reading his

2132
01:18:48,070 --> 01:18:45,280
his um collection of accounts

2133
01:18:49,189 --> 01:18:48,080
where um it seems as though time has

2134
01:18:51,750 --> 01:18:49,199
slowed down and

2135
01:18:53,110 --> 01:18:51,760
their voices is as though time is going

2136
01:18:59,430 --> 01:18:53,120
very

2137
01:19:01,030 --> 01:18:59,440
you know when you slow down a recording

2138
01:19:03,110 --> 01:19:01,040
that's

2139
01:19:04,790 --> 01:19:03,120
i didn't think of it in that manner i i

2140
01:19:05,750 --> 01:19:04,800
was thinking that their voices just

2141
01:19:07,430 --> 01:19:05,760
changed but

2142
01:19:09,350 --> 01:19:07,440
you think so you think that's all part

2143
01:19:12,870 --> 01:19:09,360
of the time

2144
01:19:15,030 --> 01:19:12,880
uh slowing possibly i don't know i'm not

2145
01:19:18,310 --> 01:19:15,040
a physicist i'm just a humble gut

2146
01:19:19,110 --> 01:19:18,320
and i know nothing but yeah well it's

2147
01:19:22,550 --> 01:19:19,120
definitely uh

2148
01:19:25,110 --> 01:19:22,560
it's definitely a curiosity as as what

2149
01:19:25,590 --> 01:19:25,120
that was about but i mean i'm wondering

2150
01:19:27,669 --> 01:19:25,600
you know

2151
01:19:29,750 --> 01:19:27,679
you say the family isn't really active

2152
01:19:31,669 --> 01:19:29,760
and and talking about it but i'm

2153
01:19:33,590 --> 01:19:31,679
wondering if there was any side effects

2154
01:19:35,669 --> 01:19:33,600
later you know like a year later two

2155
01:19:38,149 --> 01:19:35,679
years later did anyone have any health

2156
01:19:39,590 --> 01:19:38,159
issues related to that it would be very

2157
01:19:41,510 --> 01:19:39,600
interesting to know that but i

2158
01:19:44,149 --> 01:19:41,520
completely understand how

2159
01:19:45,590 --> 01:19:44,159
after they were treated and the

2160
01:19:47,110 --> 01:19:45,600
environment at the time that they

2161
01:19:49,510 --> 01:19:47,120
wouldn't want to talk about it

2162
01:19:50,149 --> 01:19:49,520
and they were they looking at it now

2163
01:19:51,350 --> 01:19:50,159
it's

2164
01:19:53,510 --> 01:19:51,360
quite clear that they were very

2165
01:19:55,189 --> 01:19:53,520
traumatized by it i don't know whether

2166
01:20:00,229 --> 01:19:55,199
they received any counselling

2167
01:20:03,590 --> 01:20:01,790
well they certainly didn't do it for

2168
01:20:06,310 --> 01:20:03,600
sensationalism and they

2169
01:20:07,590 --> 01:20:06,320
or making money because uh if they

2170
01:20:08,870 --> 01:20:07,600
especially if they don't want to talk

2171
01:20:11,030 --> 01:20:08,880
about it anymore

2172
01:20:12,070 --> 01:20:11,040
they wouldn't have had to send out it

2173
01:20:13,910 --> 01:20:12,080
wasn't a motive

2174
01:20:15,669 --> 01:20:13,920
share it it was really brave of them to

2175
01:20:17,270 --> 01:20:15,679
share knowing the ridicule factor that

2176
01:20:17,990 --> 01:20:17,280
was around especially in australia at

2177
01:20:19,510 --> 01:20:18,000
the time

2178
01:20:21,189 --> 01:20:19,520
but i think that they were concerned

2179
01:20:23,350 --> 01:20:21,199
that it would happen to someone else

2180
01:20:24,310 --> 01:20:23,360
and that's why they spoke about it and

2181
01:20:26,790 --> 01:20:24,320
they

2182
01:20:28,870 --> 01:20:26,800
you know it was like a cry for help

2183
01:20:30,070 --> 01:20:28,880
what's going on please tell us what has

2184
01:20:32,229 --> 01:20:30,080
happened to us

2185
01:20:34,070 --> 01:20:32,239
you know we don't want someone else

2186
01:20:37,590 --> 01:20:34,080
going through the same thing

2187
01:20:39,350 --> 01:20:37,600
right uh this uh night stew put up this

2188
01:20:42,709 --> 01:20:39,360
up that betty and barney

2189
01:20:44,629 --> 01:20:42,719
um hill had a pink powder sprayed on

2190
01:20:47,750 --> 01:20:44,639
their clothes and car

2191
01:20:48,149 --> 01:20:47,760
uh i wasn't aware of that maybe um i

2192
01:20:51,669 --> 01:20:48,159
just

2193
01:20:52,310 --> 01:20:51,679
i don't remember um ever uh talking

2194
01:20:55,669 --> 01:20:52,320
about that

2195
01:20:57,350 --> 01:20:55,679
but it's very uh very possible

2196
01:20:58,950 --> 01:20:57,360
i do remember something about the dress

2197
01:20:59,990 --> 01:20:58,960
and and but i just don't remember

2198
01:21:02,950 --> 01:21:00,000
anything about a pink powder

2199
01:21:03,590 --> 01:21:02,960
but the next time i speak with uh kathy

2200
01:21:05,750 --> 01:21:03,600
martin

2201
01:21:06,629 --> 01:21:05,760
on that case i'll try to remember to

2202
01:21:08,550 --> 01:21:06,639
bring uh

2203
01:21:11,030 --> 01:21:08,560
bring that topic up someone said it was

2204
01:21:14,550 --> 01:21:11,040
disinfectant spray

2205
01:21:16,870 --> 01:21:14,560
yeah because we're alien to them well

2206
01:21:18,310 --> 01:21:16,880
grant cameron writes about all of the

2207
01:21:20,709 --> 01:21:18,320
bizarre things that

2208
01:21:22,709 --> 01:21:20,719
he he's a great analyst in that he

2209
01:21:25,910 --> 01:21:22,719
collects the stories and and

2210
01:21:27,430 --> 01:21:25,920
looks looks at them thoughtfully and his

2211
01:21:29,430 --> 01:21:27,440
conclusion is

2212
01:21:30,709 --> 01:21:29,440
maybe a lot of this and i think valet

2213
01:21:33,030 --> 01:21:30,719
talks about this as well

2214
01:21:34,310 --> 01:21:33,040
a lot of this has no purpose except for

2215
01:21:36,149 --> 01:21:34,320
getting our attention

2216
01:21:37,750 --> 01:21:36,159
maybe the spray or the powder had no

2217
01:21:38,550 --> 01:21:37,760
purpose but it was just something left

2218
01:21:41,830 --> 01:21:38,560
there

2219
01:21:42,870 --> 01:21:41,840
by whatever intelligence this is to

2220
01:21:45,350 --> 01:21:42,880
connect with us

2221
01:21:47,510 --> 01:21:45,360
in a bizarre way or to make us think or

2222
01:21:51,030 --> 01:21:47,520
to make us look into something

2223
01:21:53,110 --> 01:21:51,040
it's part of the theater yeah well i had

2224
01:21:53,430 --> 01:21:53,120
uh speaking of that along that line i

2225
01:21:56,790 --> 01:21:53,440
was

2226
01:21:57,350 --> 01:21:56,800
helping out last night with the scu

2227
01:22:00,629 --> 01:21:57,360
which is

2228
01:22:02,950 --> 01:22:00,639
the the scientific coalition for uap

2229
01:22:04,310 --> 01:22:02,960
studies a lot of scientists are involved

2230
01:22:05,030 --> 01:22:04,320
in that and there was a gentleman on

2231
01:22:08,229 --> 01:22:05,040
there peter

2232
01:22:10,870 --> 01:22:08,239
speaking about the drake equation and

2233
01:22:12,470 --> 01:22:10,880
his thoughts on that and uh so i got in

2234
01:22:13,590 --> 01:22:12,480
a bit of a discussion with someone in

2235
01:22:16,070 --> 01:22:13,600
the chat room

2236
01:22:16,950 --> 01:22:16,080
about uh because a gentleman posted in

2237
01:22:20,149 --> 01:22:16,960
there

2238
01:22:21,510 --> 01:22:20,159
that uh ufos with lights aren't really

2239
01:22:23,510 --> 01:22:21,520
ufos because

2240
01:22:25,270 --> 01:22:23,520
why would they have lights so we got

2241
01:22:26,310 --> 01:22:25,280
back and forth and went back and forth

2242
01:22:28,870 --> 01:22:26,320
with the discussion

2243
01:22:29,830 --> 01:22:28,880
well how do you you know what is your

2244
01:22:31,990 --> 01:22:29,840
evidence for this

2245
01:22:33,590 --> 01:22:32,000
that it's not um he said

2246
01:22:34,870 --> 01:22:33,600
extraterrestrial and i said i'm not

2247
01:22:36,310 --> 01:22:34,880
saying it's extraterrestrial we don't

2248
01:22:39,510 --> 01:22:36,320
know what it is but what's your

2249
01:22:41,110 --> 01:22:39,520
what is your evidence and uh we went he

2250
01:22:42,070 --> 01:22:41,120
said it makes no sense unless a

2251
01:22:44,550 --> 01:22:42,080
propulsion

2252
01:22:45,830 --> 01:22:44,560
which i i agree it makes no sense but

2253
01:22:48,709 --> 01:22:45,840
then again here you are

2254
01:22:49,430 --> 01:22:48,719
talking about um maybe so we'll pay

2255
01:22:51,590 --> 01:22:49,440
attention

2256
01:22:54,310 --> 01:22:51,600
maybe that's it i don't know what the

2257
01:22:56,790 --> 01:22:54,320
reason they really don't need lights

2258
01:22:58,550 --> 01:22:56,800
but um a lot of them have lights well

2259
01:22:59,830 --> 01:22:58,560
this is what i've just read in grant's

2260
01:23:03,590 --> 01:22:59,840
excellent book contact

2261
01:23:03,990 --> 01:23:03,600
modalities and his uh he says the same

2262
01:23:05,430 --> 01:23:04,000
thing

2263
01:23:07,830 --> 01:23:05,440
they don't need lights they can be

2264
01:23:09,189 --> 01:23:07,840
invisible when they want to be

2265
01:23:11,110 --> 01:23:09,199
and it's like so they switch their

2266
01:23:14,870 --> 01:23:11,120
lights on so that we can see

2267
01:23:17,990 --> 01:23:14,880
them it seems

2268
01:23:19,030 --> 01:23:18,000
maybe yeah yeah i mean right they don't

2269
01:23:20,390 --> 01:23:19,040
have to they don't have to show

2270
01:23:21,430 --> 01:23:20,400
themselves but obviously they're not

2271
01:23:24,470 --> 01:23:21,440
afraid of

2272
01:23:27,110 --> 01:23:24,480
showing themselves i mean my one ufo

2273
01:23:28,390 --> 01:23:27,120
sighting um whatever it was wasn't

2274
01:23:29,830 --> 01:23:28,400
hiding

2275
01:23:32,390 --> 01:23:29,840
you know it's not like it was huge and

2276
01:23:35,270 --> 01:23:32,400
over me but i mean it was very visible

2277
01:23:36,070 --> 01:23:35,280
and so i don't know no lights on it

2278
01:23:38,950 --> 01:23:36,080
though

2279
01:23:41,270 --> 01:23:38,960
but if the whole thing had a what i saw

2280
01:23:43,750 --> 01:23:41,280
had a blue glow around the whole thing

2281
01:23:44,550 --> 01:23:43,760
and i have only heard a couple of people

2282
01:23:48,709 --> 01:23:44,560
say

2283
01:23:51,350 --> 01:23:48,719
something similar um so anyway

2284
01:23:52,709 --> 01:23:51,360
um any other interesting cases we i'm

2285
01:23:54,950 --> 01:23:52,719
going to be taking calls here in a

2286
01:23:59,430 --> 01:23:54,960
minute but any other interesting cases

2287
01:24:02,470 --> 01:23:59,440
that you've looked into oh

2288
01:24:06,229 --> 01:24:02,480
well there's a few recent ones

2289
01:24:09,270 --> 01:24:06,239
um we're sort of still mulling over them

2290
01:24:12,709 --> 01:24:09,280
um one case where um

2291
01:24:16,149 --> 01:24:12,719
a husband and wife captured on

2292
01:24:18,390 --> 01:24:16,159
video a very bright light

2293
01:24:19,830 --> 01:24:18,400
over their property and a very strange

2294
01:24:23,350 --> 01:24:19,840
humming sound

2295
01:24:25,510 --> 01:24:23,360
and um something unusual on the video

2296
01:24:28,550 --> 01:24:25,520
but we couldn't really work out

2297
01:24:31,590 --> 01:24:28,560
what it was but um

2298
01:24:34,629 --> 01:24:31,600
yeah but the they lived in it in a

2299
01:24:37,990 --> 01:24:34,639
um bushland property

2300
01:24:40,149 --> 01:24:38,000
um a little bit remote

2301
01:24:42,229 --> 01:24:40,159
and this is you know going back a year

2302
01:24:46,070 --> 01:24:42,239
or a couple of years ago maybe

2303
01:24:46,950 --> 01:24:46,080
um and when we examined what they showed

2304
01:24:50,149 --> 01:24:46,960
us

2305
01:24:51,750 --> 01:24:50,159
it wasn't the the light was coming from

2306
01:24:54,229 --> 01:24:51,760
above and sweeping over the

2307
01:24:55,830 --> 01:24:54,239
the area and it didn't look like it was

2308
01:24:59,110 --> 01:24:55,840
a truck or a car

2309
01:25:02,149 --> 01:24:59,120
so yeah once again the lights

2310
01:25:04,390 --> 01:25:02,159
um and they felt this

2311
01:25:06,229 --> 01:25:04,400
they felt and heard this humming sound

2312
01:25:07,350 --> 01:25:06,239
and they felt disturbed and frightened

2313
01:25:10,790 --> 01:25:07,360
by it

2314
01:25:13,750 --> 01:25:10,800
um another one just days ago

2315
01:25:15,110 --> 01:25:13,760
or later just before you move on from

2316
01:25:17,590 --> 01:25:15,120
that one though let me just

2317
01:25:18,629 --> 01:25:17,600
ask you this one did do you think that

2318
01:25:20,310 --> 01:25:18,639
they felt

2319
01:25:23,350 --> 01:25:20,320
i mean i've heard people say that they

2320
01:25:25,590 --> 01:25:23,360
felt the noise more than they heard it

2321
01:25:26,709 --> 01:25:25,600
is that a description that they would

2322
01:25:29,110 --> 01:25:26,719
say that's

2323
01:25:30,550 --> 01:25:29,120
yeah i think that's how it was they they

2324
01:25:34,310 --> 01:25:30,560
heard it as well

2325
01:25:36,310 --> 01:25:34,320
it was a vibrating humming

2326
01:25:38,550 --> 01:25:36,320
very strange it was unnerving to them

2327
01:25:41,830 --> 01:25:38,560
that's why they contacted us

2328
01:25:45,510 --> 01:25:41,840
um and another guy went outside to um

2329
01:25:49,030 --> 01:25:45,520
take his dog to the bathroom to do these

2330
01:25:49,990 --> 01:25:49,040
bathroom duties outside um and witnessed

2331
01:25:53,669 --> 01:25:50,000
a silver

2332
01:25:55,590 --> 01:25:53,679
said it was a cigar shaped thing with

2333
01:25:57,270 --> 01:25:55,600
lights

2334
01:25:59,189 --> 01:25:57,280
drifting across the sky he called his

2335
01:25:59,830 --> 01:25:59,199
wife and she came out and saw the same

2336
01:26:03,990 --> 01:25:59,840
thing

2337
01:26:07,510 --> 01:26:04,000
we have another fellow who we talked to

2338
01:26:09,830 --> 01:26:07,520
whose wife saw i think it was a

2339
01:26:11,189 --> 01:26:09,840
triangle fly quite close over the roof

2340
01:26:13,430 --> 01:26:11,199
of the house

2341
01:26:14,310 --> 01:26:13,440
and she called him and he came running

2342
01:26:17,030 --> 01:26:14,320
out and he

2343
01:26:19,110 --> 01:26:17,040
witnessed it going off and he'd had an

2344
01:26:22,550 --> 01:26:19,120
experience

2345
01:26:24,149 --> 01:26:22,560
earlier in life with seeing um a landed

2346
01:26:27,910 --> 01:26:24,159
craft and some beans

2347
01:26:31,350 --> 01:26:27,920
in another country um where he was from

2348
01:26:33,750 --> 01:26:31,360
so wow it's ongoing

2349
01:26:34,790 --> 01:26:33,760
it amazes me not just in the united

2350
01:26:37,030 --> 01:26:34,800
states

2351
01:26:37,990 --> 01:26:37,040
it's worldwide here on the other side of

2352
01:26:39,750 --> 01:26:38,000
the earth there's

2353
01:26:41,830 --> 01:26:39,760
a surprising number of cases even though

2354
01:26:44,310 --> 01:26:41,840
our population is quite low

2355
01:26:45,910 --> 01:26:44,320
and i'm not just looking at cases of

2356
01:26:46,629 --> 01:26:45,920
people seeing things individually where

2357
01:26:48,470 --> 01:26:46,639
two people

2358
01:26:50,229 --> 01:26:48,480
i mean in the case of this fellow where

2359
01:26:53,669 --> 01:26:50,239
he saw the landed craft and the beings

2360
01:26:56,629 --> 01:26:53,679
he was with um a family member

2361
01:26:58,709 --> 01:26:56,639
so um yeah there were two people that

2362
01:27:01,189 --> 01:26:58,719
saw the same thing

2363
01:27:01,990 --> 01:27:01,199
interesting are you familiar on putting

2364
01:27:04,550 --> 01:27:02,000
this up

2365
01:27:05,910 --> 01:27:04,560
from brian of the bendigo ufo wave in

2366
01:27:08,629 --> 01:27:05,920
the 1980s

2367
01:27:10,390 --> 01:27:08,639
i must admit i haven't looked at it but

2368
01:27:11,510 --> 01:27:10,400
i know that there have been waves i'm

2369
01:27:13,590 --> 01:27:11,520
reading now because

2370
01:27:16,310 --> 01:27:13,600
as i said i'm a new kid on the block and

2371
01:27:19,189 --> 01:27:16,320
i'm still coming across but yeah

2372
01:27:20,790 --> 01:27:19,199
um yeah it seems like bendigo that

2373
01:27:21,430 --> 01:27:20,800
region could be a little bit of a hot

2374
01:27:23,750 --> 01:27:21,440
spot

2375
01:27:24,550 --> 01:27:23,760
as in i'm reading it about the east of

2376
01:27:27,590 --> 01:27:24,560
our state

2377
01:27:30,310 --> 01:27:27,600
bainsdale is another kind of not very

2378
01:27:31,910 --> 01:27:30,320
highly populated sort of dairy country

2379
01:27:35,910 --> 01:27:31,920
and forest

2380
01:27:39,270 --> 01:27:35,920
and that's certainly a hot spot and um

2381
01:27:41,590 --> 01:27:39,280
our um president of our group ben hurl

2382
01:27:44,470 --> 01:27:41,600
is from that area

2383
01:27:46,950 --> 01:27:44,480
so he's pretty much interested in the

2384
01:27:48,709 --> 01:27:46,960
cold cases of the past and he talks

2385
01:27:50,790 --> 01:27:48,719
he actually does go to queensland and

2386
01:27:52,310 --> 01:27:50,800
give um talks to the people up in

2387
01:27:55,830 --> 01:27:52,320
queensland and

2388
01:27:58,629 --> 01:27:55,840
and um he's very much into these

2389
01:28:04,470 --> 01:27:58,639
cases are you talking about ben ben

2390
01:28:09,590 --> 01:28:07,750
headlights case um yeah let's talk about

2391
01:28:10,709 --> 01:28:09,600
that too that's always fascinating but

2392
01:28:12,709 --> 01:28:10,719
before we do

2393
01:28:15,030 --> 01:28:12,719
uh i just wanted to let people know

2394
01:28:17,590 --> 01:28:15,040
especially over kgra radio

2395
01:28:20,510 --> 01:28:17,600
that we are taking calls now and that

2396
01:28:21,990 --> 01:28:20,520
number is 855

2397
01:28:27,830 --> 01:28:22,000
472-5483

2398
01:28:29,750 --> 01:28:27,840
is standing by he'll screen your call

2399
01:28:32,149 --> 01:28:29,760
and i'll bring you into the show

2400
01:28:33,350 --> 01:28:32,159
so uh feel free to call in yeah let's

2401
01:28:36,149 --> 01:28:33,360
hear about the bent

2402
01:28:36,629 --> 01:28:36,159
headlights case i know i talked about

2403
01:28:40,550 --> 01:28:36,639
that

2404
01:28:42,070 --> 01:28:40,560
dean yeah look you're probably better

2405
01:28:45,350 --> 01:28:42,080
off sticking to paul and ben

2406
01:28:48,390 --> 01:28:45,360
and that's not one that i'm really um

2407
01:28:51,990 --> 01:28:48,400
across the details of but um

2408
01:28:54,709 --> 01:28:52,000
yeah that's a very unusual case

2409
01:28:56,310 --> 01:28:54,719
yeah and uh where the lights turned

2410
01:28:59,030 --> 01:28:56,320
another thing that didn't

2411
01:29:00,870 --> 01:28:59,040
absolutely made no sense at all well we

2412
01:29:02,870 --> 01:29:00,880
had a fellow come out he's

2413
01:29:05,350 --> 01:29:02,880
actually a very well-known radio

2414
01:29:06,310 --> 01:29:05,360
broadcaster a bit of a personality he's

2415
01:29:08,790 --> 01:29:06,320
written a

2416
01:29:09,990 --> 01:29:08,800
a song for the football that gets played

2417
01:29:12,790 --> 01:29:10,000
at the grand final

2418
01:29:13,910 --> 01:29:12,800
every year and mike brady his name is

2419
01:29:17,830 --> 01:29:13,920
and he was

2420
01:29:19,830 --> 01:29:17,840
traveling around the countryside

2421
01:29:21,270 --> 01:29:19,840
and they said around that time and

2422
01:29:22,390 --> 01:29:21,280
around that place they had a weird

2423
01:29:25,350 --> 01:29:22,400
encounter

2424
01:29:26,390 --> 01:29:25,360
where they had a strange noise heard and

2425
01:29:28,870 --> 01:29:26,400
felt this

2426
01:29:29,990 --> 01:29:28,880
strange noise and the cast they were in

2427
01:29:33,110 --> 01:29:30,000
a van i think

2428
01:29:34,550 --> 01:29:33,120
and the the van came to a stop

2429
01:29:36,310 --> 01:29:34,560
and there was nothing wrong with the van

2430
01:29:38,870 --> 01:29:36,320
it was a brand new van that had no

2431
01:29:41,030 --> 01:29:38,880
mechanical issues whatsoever and they

2432
01:29:43,910 --> 01:29:41,040
came into this area around where the ben

2433
01:29:44,550 --> 01:29:43,920
headlights thing happened and it came to

2434
01:29:46,870 --> 01:29:44,560
a stop

2435
01:29:48,790 --> 01:29:46,880
for no reason and then i think later on

2436
01:29:50,550 --> 01:29:48,800
it mysteriously started up again i think

2437
01:29:53,990 --> 01:29:50,560
i've got that right but um

2438
01:29:55,669 --> 01:29:54,000
that's the guts of the story so

2439
01:29:57,430 --> 01:29:55,679
yeah for this guy to come out and say

2440
01:30:00,149 --> 01:29:57,440
yeah well i've had

2441
01:30:01,189 --> 01:30:00,159
a weird thing happen around the time and

2442
01:30:05,510 --> 01:30:01,199
they're in the

2443
01:30:07,669 --> 01:30:05,520
place as well so it must be information

2444
01:30:09,270 --> 01:30:07,679
yeah so we're talking a couple things

2445
01:30:12,229 --> 01:30:09,280
happen that you're aware of

2446
01:30:12,870 --> 01:30:12,239
where the westall case happened so that

2447
01:30:15,270 --> 01:30:12,880
so there

2448
01:30:16,950 --> 01:30:15,280
are like we have here in the united

2449
01:30:20,470 --> 01:30:16,960
states seemingly

2450
01:30:21,750 --> 01:30:20,480
are some hot spots i mean what else

2451
01:30:23,750 --> 01:30:21,760
would you call them right i mean

2452
01:30:25,030 --> 01:30:23,760
there's more than one sighting on

2453
01:30:29,189 --> 01:30:25,040
different days

2454
01:30:30,709 --> 01:30:29,199
and yeah yeah uh

2455
01:30:34,870 --> 01:30:30,719
on the last one someone wanted to know

2456
01:30:38,310 --> 01:30:34,880
if there was any missing time

2457
01:30:40,790 --> 01:30:38,320
did they mention that well

2458
01:30:41,990 --> 01:30:40,800
i don't yeah i can't answer that

2459
01:30:45,030 --> 01:30:42,000
question

2460
01:30:48,950 --> 01:30:45,040
um the case of the case of

2461
01:30:52,470 --> 01:30:48,960
that was similar in 1967 um

2462
01:30:55,110 --> 01:30:52,480
the mr harris remarked that he had a

2463
01:30:55,990 --> 01:30:55,120
um a bit of missing time his watch

2464
01:30:58,229 --> 01:30:56,000
stopped

2465
01:31:00,070 --> 01:30:58,239
and it was running five minutes slow and

2466
01:31:02,229 --> 01:31:00,080
the watch

2467
01:31:04,790 --> 01:31:02,239
was an amiga chronometer and it normally

2468
01:31:08,790 --> 01:31:04,800
doesn't lose any time at all he said

2469
01:31:11,030 --> 01:31:08,800
uh so he had a in the duration i think

2470
01:31:12,790 --> 01:31:11,040
it was a five minute um

2471
01:31:14,070 --> 01:31:12,800
five minutes that he was in the beam and

2472
01:31:17,350 --> 01:31:14,080
the car stopped or

2473
01:31:19,910 --> 01:31:17,360
appeared to stop so he lost that time

2474
01:31:21,510 --> 01:31:19,920
that five minutes and it didn't it

2475
01:31:24,149 --> 01:31:21,520
affected his watch so

2476
01:31:26,870 --> 01:31:24,159
you know in relation to the noel's case

2477
01:31:30,470 --> 01:31:26,880
and it's that similar case i think

2478
01:31:33,750 --> 01:31:30,480
looks like missing time doesn't it yeah

2479
01:31:37,030 --> 01:31:33,760
wow yeah the the missing time thing

2480
01:31:40,390 --> 01:31:37,040
it's funny people allude to it um

2481
01:31:40,709 --> 01:31:40,400
so often that they have that they have

2482
01:31:43,910 --> 01:31:40,719
that

2483
01:31:45,270 --> 01:31:43,920
you know i mean they i i can't even

2484
01:31:46,870 --> 01:31:45,280
remember the first time i heard about it

2485
01:31:49,030 --> 01:31:46,880
but it seems to me

2486
01:31:51,110 --> 01:31:49,040
you know one of the fascinating ones for

2487
01:31:53,830 --> 01:31:51,120
me in that particular case

2488
01:31:55,590 --> 01:31:53,840
is uh we have this case up here in in

2489
01:31:58,390 --> 01:31:55,600
maine that happened in maine

2490
01:32:00,709 --> 01:31:58,400
way back and i think the late 1970s

2491
01:32:03,830 --> 01:32:00,719
called the allagash incident

2492
01:32:04,229 --> 01:32:03,840
and have you heard of that i've heard of

2493
01:32:06,390 --> 01:32:04,239
it but

2494
01:32:08,310 --> 01:32:06,400
um remind me of details well they're out

2495
01:32:09,270 --> 01:32:08,320
there there's uh four guys they're out

2496
01:32:12,629 --> 01:32:09,280
in the canoe they're

2497
01:32:15,350 --> 01:32:12,639
way in uh very remote area of maine

2498
01:32:17,350 --> 01:32:15,360
uh extremely remote and they saw earlier

2499
01:32:19,990 --> 01:32:17,360
that day they saw a light they saw

2500
01:32:20,629 --> 01:32:20,000
something uh with uh someone else that

2501
01:32:24,709 --> 01:32:20,639
witnessed

2502
01:32:26,629 --> 01:32:24,719
it with them then they're out in their

2503
01:32:28,070 --> 01:32:26,639
canoe to go night fishing they built a

2504
01:32:30,470 --> 01:32:28,080
great big fire

2505
01:32:32,149 --> 01:32:30,480
so they'd know how to come back to shore

2506
01:32:32,870 --> 01:32:32,159
so they're out in the canoe the four of

2507
01:32:41,910 --> 01:32:32,880
them

2508
01:32:42,870 --> 01:32:41,920
silly he flashed a light at it a

2509
01:32:45,669 --> 01:32:42,880
flashlight

2510
01:32:47,270 --> 01:32:45,679
started blinking the light at it and so

2511
01:32:48,629 --> 01:32:47,280
then all of a sudden they

2512
01:32:50,310 --> 01:32:48,639
all these things happen they don't

2513
01:32:51,830 --> 01:32:50,320
really remember but what they do

2514
01:32:52,950 --> 01:32:51,840
remember is when they were going back to

2515
01:32:55,910 --> 01:32:52,960
shore

2516
01:32:57,350 --> 01:32:55,920
the fire was burnt down all the way down

2517
01:32:58,229 --> 01:32:57,360
and it would have taken hours for that

2518
01:33:00,790 --> 01:32:58,239
to happen

2519
01:33:01,669 --> 01:33:00,800
you know and they didn't even think of

2520
01:33:03,830 --> 01:33:01,679
it it was like

2521
01:33:06,629 --> 01:33:03,840
oh that's weird that type of thing and

2522
01:33:09,030 --> 01:33:06,639
then 10 years later they started having

2523
01:33:09,750 --> 01:33:09,040
um the dreams they all had the same

2524
01:33:12,790 --> 01:33:09,760
dreams

2525
01:33:13,350 --> 01:33:12,800
and basically it had suppressed it for

2526
01:33:17,430 --> 01:33:13,360
10

2527
01:33:21,750 --> 01:33:19,990
um let's see you know i'm gonna bring

2528
01:33:23,270 --> 01:33:21,760
bill in bill has a couple of questions

2529
01:33:24,709 --> 01:33:23,280
for you so i'm going to bring him in

2530
01:33:26,550 --> 01:33:24,719
i've never done this before

2531
01:33:28,550 --> 01:33:26,560
but bill uh you're a great guy and you

2532
01:33:29,430 --> 01:33:28,560
always have some great thoughts i saw

2533
01:33:31,750 --> 01:33:29,440
you

2534
01:33:33,430 --> 01:33:31,760
uh putting something in my the private

2535
01:33:34,790 --> 01:33:33,440
chat here so you had a question

2536
01:33:36,310 --> 01:33:34,800
yeah i don't know how my volume is

2537
01:33:36,950 --> 01:33:36,320
because you just got beyond oh you sound

2538
01:33:39,750 --> 01:33:36,960
good

2539
01:33:40,709 --> 01:33:39,760
okay um there's a lot of folks that

2540
01:33:43,910 --> 01:33:40,719
believe that

2541
01:33:45,990 --> 01:33:43,920
um the consensus is that

2542
01:33:47,430 --> 01:33:46,000
people have traumatic experiences when

2543
01:33:50,709 --> 01:33:47,440
they're engaging

2544
01:33:52,709 --> 01:33:50,719
with extraterrestrials allegedly um

2545
01:33:54,390 --> 01:33:52,719
in australia with your contact with

2546
01:33:56,950 --> 01:33:54,400
people that have had experiences

2547
01:33:58,070 --> 01:33:56,960
what is uh the folks over there going

2548
01:33:59,910 --> 01:33:58,080
through do they think that

2549
01:34:05,350 --> 01:33:59,920
the majority are malevolent in nature

2550
01:34:08,390 --> 01:34:05,360
benevolent is there a balance

2551
01:34:09,350 --> 01:34:08,400
mary rodwell collects more data from

2552
01:34:13,110 --> 01:34:09,360
people who

2553
01:34:15,750 --> 01:34:13,120
um have had experiences with

2554
01:34:17,590 --> 01:34:15,760
beings i think if there's an experience

2555
01:34:19,750 --> 01:34:17,600
with just a craft

2556
01:34:21,830 --> 01:34:19,760
um it's and and you're not looking for

2557
01:34:23,030 --> 01:34:21,840
it's like what the hell is this and why

2558
01:34:24,950 --> 01:34:23,040
is it here

2559
01:34:27,430 --> 01:34:24,960
and that in itself is traumatic because

2560
01:34:31,189 --> 01:34:27,440
it's um

2561
01:34:34,070 --> 01:34:31,199
it's we're not primed to

2562
01:34:35,350 --> 01:34:34,080
expect a ufo visit because of the taboo

2563
01:34:38,870 --> 01:34:35,360
around the topic

2564
01:34:40,550 --> 01:34:38,880
so it comes i think

2565
01:34:43,270 --> 01:34:40,560
even though the experience itself might

2566
01:34:44,149 --> 01:34:43,280
be benign it might come across as being

2567
01:34:46,310 --> 01:34:44,159
threatening

2568
01:34:48,390 --> 01:34:46,320
in that there is the unknown and the

2569
01:34:51,990 --> 01:34:48,400
unexpectedness of it

2570
01:34:52,870 --> 01:34:52,000
um yeah i mean we've had people that

2571
01:34:57,189 --> 01:34:52,880
have

2572
01:35:00,390 --> 01:34:57,199
had um reported

2573
01:35:03,910 --> 01:35:00,400
very um clear waking

2574
01:35:06,950 --> 01:35:03,920
dreamlike states where they felt um

2575
01:35:08,790 --> 01:35:06,960
either yeah it's it's

2576
01:35:10,229 --> 01:35:08,800
the same as in the from what i'm reading

2577
01:35:11,830 --> 01:35:10,239
it's the same as anywhere else in the

2578
01:35:13,510 --> 01:35:11,840
world it's a mix

2579
01:35:14,950 --> 01:35:13,520
it's a mix or it might start off as

2580
01:35:17,109 --> 01:35:14,960
feeling threatening and then

2581
01:35:18,229 --> 01:35:17,119
progress to if if it continues to

2582
01:35:20,790 --> 01:35:18,239
progress to being

2583
01:35:23,109 --> 01:35:20,800
non-threatening you know in the way that

2584
01:35:26,229 --> 01:35:23,119
whitley talks about it i think he

2585
01:35:28,790 --> 01:35:26,239
he i haven't read his books i've been

2586
01:35:29,350 --> 01:35:28,800
a bit too frightened to read his books

2587
01:35:31,590 --> 01:35:29,360
but

2588
01:35:33,590 --> 01:35:31,600
um from what i understand of what i've

2589
01:35:35,910 --> 01:35:33,600
listened to what he has had to say that

2590
01:35:37,590 --> 01:35:35,920
he had started off with it being

2591
01:35:39,510 --> 01:35:37,600
threatening and then coming to terms

2592
01:35:41,750 --> 01:35:39,520
with it and um

2593
01:35:43,350 --> 01:35:41,760
feeling differently about it later on so

2594
01:35:45,189 --> 01:35:43,360
yeah i think it's consistent with what

2595
01:35:47,109 --> 01:35:45,199
happens elsewhere in the world to answer

2596
01:35:49,109 --> 01:35:47,119
your question

2597
01:35:50,390 --> 01:35:49,119
i want to show everyone this is bill

2598
01:35:52,790 --> 01:35:50,400
everyone on youtube

2599
01:35:54,229 --> 01:35:52,800
hi bill bill's oh yeah he's pointing to

2600
01:35:57,590 --> 01:35:54,239
my painting that he has

2601
01:35:58,149 --> 01:35:57,600
there uh so yeah bill uh is the one who

2602
01:36:00,390 --> 01:35:58,159
screens

2603
01:36:02,310 --> 01:36:00,400
for those who you that call in um he's

2604
01:36:04,470 --> 01:36:02,320
over at kgra radio

2605
01:36:05,750 --> 01:36:04,480
and he's the one that takes the calls so

2606
01:36:07,830 --> 01:36:05,760
uh we do have uh

2607
01:36:08,950 --> 01:36:07,840
we do have that available again that

2608
01:36:11,430 --> 01:36:08,960
phone number is nine

2609
01:36:12,790 --> 01:36:11,440
i'm sorry uh eight five five four seven

2610
01:36:14,950 --> 01:36:12,800
two five four eight three

2611
01:36:15,830 --> 01:36:14,960
and uh feel free to call in bill you

2612
01:36:19,109 --> 01:36:15,840
have anything else

2613
01:36:19,590 --> 01:36:19,119
yeah just a couple more things um as far

2614
01:36:22,709 --> 01:36:19,600
as

2615
01:36:23,189 --> 01:36:22,719
the australian society in general do you

2616
01:36:25,189 --> 01:36:23,199
think that

2617
01:36:26,870 --> 01:36:25,199
more open-minded because over here it's

2618
01:36:27,189 --> 01:36:26,880
still i would say martin maybe you can

2619
01:36:28,870 --> 01:36:27,199
uh

2620
01:36:30,390 --> 01:36:28,880
clarify this a little bit what would you

2621
01:36:30,870 --> 01:36:30,400
say the consensus here in the states

2622
01:36:34,229 --> 01:36:30,880
about

2623
01:36:35,750 --> 01:36:34,239
40 50 maybe even higher of people having

2624
01:36:37,990 --> 01:36:35,760
an open mind when it comes to the

2625
01:36:40,310 --> 01:36:38,000
possibility of extraterrestrial life

2626
01:36:41,830 --> 01:36:40,320
i would say that would be high but about

2627
01:36:42,629 --> 01:36:41,840
actual visitations that were being

2628
01:36:44,149 --> 01:36:42,639
visited

2629
01:36:46,870 --> 01:36:44,159
by extraterrestrials or maybe

2630
01:36:47,510 --> 01:36:46,880
interdimensional or some other parallel

2631
01:36:49,350 --> 01:36:47,520
universe

2632
01:36:51,430 --> 01:36:49,360
whatever that is what do you think it is

2633
01:36:54,390 --> 01:36:51,440
over there irene is it more

2634
01:36:56,390 --> 01:36:54,400
uh open-minded over there or accepting

2635
01:36:59,189 --> 01:36:56,400
of the possibilities there

2636
01:37:00,229 --> 01:36:59,199
i think people who are in the community

2637
01:37:03,510 --> 01:37:00,239
um

2638
01:37:05,510 --> 01:37:03,520
vary in their degrees of

2639
01:37:06,709 --> 01:37:05,520
like like in the united states it's a

2640
01:37:08,709 --> 01:37:06,719
diverse community

2641
01:37:10,790 --> 01:37:08,719
ranging from the nuts and bolts people

2642
01:37:12,629 --> 01:37:10,800
who are just interested in the craft and

2643
01:37:13,910 --> 01:37:12,639
not particularly interested in who's

2644
01:37:15,590 --> 01:37:13,920
piloting them

2645
01:37:16,950 --> 01:37:15,600
and then there's the on the other gamma

2646
01:37:20,709 --> 01:37:16,960
of people who've had

2647
01:37:23,270 --> 01:37:20,719
um who report having

2648
01:37:24,390 --> 01:37:23,280
abduction experiences or contact

2649
01:37:26,070 --> 01:37:24,400
experiences

2650
01:37:27,750 --> 01:37:26,080
so amongst the community it's pretty

2651
01:37:29,430 --> 01:37:27,760
much the cross section is similar to

2652
01:37:32,629 --> 01:37:29,440
what's in the united states

2653
01:37:33,990 --> 01:37:32,639
but as far as the general society of

2654
01:37:37,350 --> 01:37:34,000
people outside of the

2655
01:37:40,390 --> 01:37:37,360
community no

2656
01:37:43,830 --> 01:37:40,400
it's um amongst the younger generation

2657
01:37:45,430 --> 01:37:43,840
because of the documentaries and tv

2658
01:37:47,189 --> 01:37:45,440
shows and science fiction

2659
01:37:49,430 --> 01:37:47,199
that has primed the younger generation

2660
01:37:51,350 --> 01:37:49,440
i'm talking about people under 50

2661
01:37:52,870 --> 01:37:51,360
there's much more openness and people

2662
01:37:54,229 --> 01:37:52,880
are happy and willing to talk about and

2663
01:37:56,149 --> 01:37:54,239
explore ideas

2664
01:37:58,149 --> 01:37:56,159
as to what it could be or what's out

2665
01:38:01,910 --> 01:37:58,159
there it's a big universe etc

2666
01:38:04,790 --> 01:38:01,920
but certainly people who are above 50 60

2667
01:38:07,990 --> 01:38:04,800
of that generation that was successfully

2668
01:38:09,990 --> 01:38:08,000
um conditioned by all this

2669
01:38:11,510 --> 01:38:10,000
don't be silly there's no such things as

2670
01:38:15,510 --> 01:38:11,520
flying saucers

2671
01:38:16,070 --> 01:38:15,520
um there's absolutely if you talk about

2672
01:38:19,109 --> 01:38:16,080
it

2673
01:38:21,270 --> 01:38:19,119
wall and that

2674
01:38:22,790 --> 01:38:21,280
yeah there's no such thing that they

2675
01:38:25,910 --> 01:38:22,800
believe there's no such thing

2676
01:38:27,910 --> 01:38:25,920
and but that varies too i mean i think

2677
01:38:29,910 --> 01:38:27,920
australian society is starting to open

2678
01:38:30,709 --> 01:38:29,920
up especially since the new york times

2679
01:38:35,270 --> 01:38:30,719
and the tic tac

2680
01:38:36,870 --> 01:38:35,280
um thing but quite often

2681
01:38:38,310 --> 01:38:36,880
nine times out of ten you talk to people

2682
01:38:39,510 --> 01:38:38,320
and they have not even heard of that

2683
01:38:41,510 --> 01:38:39,520
case

2684
01:38:42,830 --> 01:38:41,520
and there's sort of like not really an

2685
01:38:47,109 --> 01:38:42,840
interest

2686
01:38:50,149 --> 01:38:47,119
um what's going on with the kardashians

2687
01:38:51,750 --> 01:38:50,159
is much more important

2688
01:38:53,510 --> 01:38:51,760
well i've got to go take some clothes we

2689
01:38:55,830 --> 01:38:53,520
got callers on the line but maybe you

2690
01:38:59,030 --> 01:38:55,840
guys can also touch on pine gap

2691
01:39:00,070 --> 01:38:59,040
and the mysterious this mysteriousness

2692
01:39:02,070 --> 01:39:00,080
behind that so

2693
01:39:03,669 --> 01:39:02,080
see you guys have a great time all right

2694
01:39:06,070 --> 01:39:03,679
all right thanks thanks bill

2695
01:39:07,430 --> 01:39:06,080
uh so yeah we have uh he's screening the

2696
01:39:07,910 --> 01:39:07,440
call right now we'll we'll take that

2697
01:39:10,550 --> 01:39:07,920
call

2698
01:39:11,189 --> 01:39:10,560
and uh as soon as he's done with that

2699
01:39:16,229 --> 01:39:11,199
yeah

2700
01:39:17,750 --> 01:39:16,239
that's a series i've watched a little

2701
01:39:20,070 --> 01:39:17,760
bit of is there uh

2702
01:39:22,229 --> 01:39:20,080
is there really something going on with

2703
01:39:24,950 --> 01:39:22,239
with that i mean

2704
01:39:26,149 --> 01:39:24,960
pine gap well it's um a listening

2705
01:39:28,550 --> 01:39:26,159
station it's

2706
01:39:29,669 --> 01:39:28,560
um i think it's well known here that

2707
01:39:31,750 --> 01:39:29,679
it's a base

2708
01:39:33,430 --> 01:39:31,760
um in conjunction with the united states

2709
01:39:36,550 --> 01:39:33,440
there's actually a really nice

2710
01:39:37,910 --> 01:39:36,560
um tv show called pine gap yeah that's

2711
01:39:41,750 --> 01:39:37,920
what i'm talking about i've watched that

2712
01:39:44,629 --> 01:39:41,760
yeah yeah yeah so it's um it's a spy

2713
01:39:45,750 --> 01:39:44,639
station and and it's sort of looking at

2714
01:39:47,910 --> 01:39:45,760
um

2715
01:39:49,669 --> 01:39:47,920
and i think there's a lot as you realize

2716
01:39:51,750 --> 01:39:49,679
with the military that

2717
01:39:52,870 --> 01:39:51,760
there's stuff that they definitely are

2718
01:39:55,109 --> 01:39:52,880
doing that

2719
01:39:57,350 --> 01:39:55,119
they'd be happy to have people look at

2720
01:39:59,910 --> 01:39:57,360
something and say it's a ufo

2721
01:40:01,030 --> 01:39:59,920
and yeah okay it's a ufo just don't keep

2722
01:40:03,109 --> 01:40:01,040
looking at that and don't look at what

2723
01:40:05,750 --> 01:40:03,119
we're doing

2724
01:40:06,470 --> 01:40:05,760
so mind gap i i believe falls into that

2725
01:40:09,669 --> 01:40:06,480
category

2726
01:40:11,189 --> 01:40:09,679
the i don't know that it's i really

2727
01:40:12,950 --> 01:40:11,199
can't say whether it's an underground

2728
01:40:13,590 --> 01:40:12,960
base and there's ufos flying in and out

2729
01:40:16,709 --> 01:40:13,600
of it

2730
01:40:20,470 --> 01:40:16,719
um we did talk to somebody

2731
01:40:23,030 --> 01:40:20,480
who was a child that lived

2732
01:40:25,030 --> 01:40:23,040
in that area because his parents were

2733
01:40:28,070 --> 01:40:25,040
working in that town

2734
01:40:31,350 --> 01:40:28,080
and of course they come across the

2735
01:40:34,149 --> 01:40:31,360
um the military that that work there

2736
01:40:35,030 --> 01:40:34,159
apparently pine gap is a place that you

2737
01:40:36,709 --> 01:40:35,040
get sent to

2738
01:40:38,709 --> 01:40:36,719
if you haven't done the right thing in

2739
01:40:39,590 --> 01:40:38,719
the united states as a military person

2740
01:40:41,189 --> 01:40:39,600
it's sort of like a

2741
01:40:43,430 --> 01:40:41,199
a banishment to the other side of the

2742
01:40:46,629 --> 01:40:43,440
earth it's a punishment

2743
01:40:46,870 --> 01:40:46,639
posted to fine gap and um he was a child

2744
01:40:50,390 --> 01:40:46,880
and

2745
01:40:52,390 --> 01:40:50,400
conversation that the

2746
01:40:54,070 --> 01:40:52,400
something interesting and unusual was

2747
01:40:56,390 --> 01:40:54,080
trapped um

2748
01:40:57,189 --> 01:40:56,400
an aerial phenomenon was trapped at pine

2749
01:40:59,030 --> 01:40:57,199
gap

2750
01:41:00,470 --> 01:40:59,040
but how often that happens and comes

2751
01:41:02,149 --> 01:41:00,480
across their screens or whether they're

2752
01:41:05,830 --> 01:41:02,159
particularly looking for it

2753
01:41:08,310 --> 01:41:05,840
who knows yeah we have uh

2754
01:41:09,109 --> 01:41:08,320
paul i'm sorry duncan from palm beach

2755
01:41:13,030 --> 01:41:09,119
florida

2756
01:41:17,270 --> 01:41:13,040
hi hi duncan welcome to the show

2757
01:41:20,550 --> 01:41:17,280
hello martin hi um a very quick question

2758
01:41:24,390 --> 01:41:20,560
i was curious what if anything

2759
01:41:29,430 --> 01:41:24,400
do the aborigines in australia

2760
01:41:32,709 --> 01:41:29,440
say about this topic does it play

2761
01:41:33,270 --> 01:41:32,719
any part in their traditions interesting

2762
01:41:35,270 --> 01:41:33,280
question

2763
01:41:36,550 --> 01:41:35,280
ah look i would like to find out a lot

2764
01:41:39,830 --> 01:41:36,560
more about that

2765
01:41:42,870 --> 01:41:39,840
um of course people i guess have

2766
01:41:45,669 --> 01:41:42,880
come across the wanjina paintings um

2767
01:41:47,669 --> 01:41:45,679
where um i think von daniken pointed out

2768
01:41:51,270 --> 01:41:47,679
a connection

2769
01:41:52,629 --> 01:41:51,280
uh that people sort of um enjoyed his um

2770
01:41:57,030 --> 01:41:52,639
connection with

2771
01:41:59,030 --> 01:41:57,040
um the way et's apparently looking

2772
01:42:00,870 --> 01:41:59,040
and uh the paintings with the big eyes

2773
01:42:03,830 --> 01:42:00,880
of the on the cave paintings

2774
01:42:05,030 --> 01:42:03,840
i don't know much about that and um

2775
01:42:09,669 --> 01:42:05,040
where the people

2776
01:42:13,109 --> 01:42:09,679
um who around the communities that

2777
01:42:15,830 --> 01:42:13,119
make have made these artworks live

2778
01:42:17,990 --> 01:42:15,840
is very remote the average australian

2779
01:42:19,590 --> 01:42:18,000
living in the cities doesn't really

2780
01:42:21,350 --> 01:42:19,600
have the opportunity to have contact

2781
01:42:23,109 --> 01:42:21,360
with um

2782
01:42:24,790 --> 01:42:23,119
the people in these regions and i would

2783
01:42:25,590 --> 01:42:24,800
really love to go and pursue that some

2784
01:42:28,709 --> 01:42:25,600
more

2785
01:42:29,669 --> 01:42:28,719
um but certainly there are um long told

2786
01:42:32,550 --> 01:42:29,679
stories of this

2787
01:42:34,709 --> 01:42:32,560
the spirits um that they have contact

2788
01:42:37,669 --> 01:42:34,719
with that are weaved into their culture

2789
01:42:39,350 --> 01:42:37,679
and it's you know to talk about their

2790
01:42:41,510 --> 01:42:39,360
culture like

2791
01:42:43,669 --> 01:42:41,520
the aboriginal people had many different

2792
01:42:46,709 --> 01:42:43,679
nations before they were colonised

2793
01:42:50,149 --> 01:42:46,719
and each had their own particular um

2794
01:42:52,070 --> 01:42:50,159
stories um and languages so it was like

2795
01:42:53,350 --> 01:42:52,080
talking about the europeans what did the

2796
01:42:55,430 --> 01:42:53,360
europeans say

2797
01:42:57,990 --> 01:42:55,440
well depends on what region what what

2798
01:43:01,109 --> 01:42:58,000
country what nation what language

2799
01:43:03,430 --> 01:43:01,119
so it is a very complex um

2800
01:43:04,790 --> 01:43:03,440
uh thing that has been under-researched

2801
01:43:08,149 --> 01:43:04,800
in my opinion

2802
01:43:10,070 --> 01:43:08,159
um i did talk to a fellow who phoned in

2803
01:43:12,310 --> 01:43:10,080
when james fox was offering

2804
01:43:13,830 --> 01:43:12,320
he came over when he was doing the

2805
01:43:15,590 --> 01:43:13,840
westall thing and went on national

2806
01:43:20,149 --> 01:43:15,600
television offering award

2807
01:43:22,149 --> 01:43:20,159
and a reward to anybody who had some um

2808
01:43:25,510 --> 01:43:22,159
information about physical evidence of

2809
01:43:29,590 --> 01:43:25,520
the ufo and a gentleman from

2810
01:43:29,830 --> 01:43:29,600
a uh i can't remember where it was it

2811
01:43:31,590 --> 01:43:29,840
was

2812
01:43:33,350 --> 01:43:31,600
somewhere in new south wales said that

2813
01:43:35,669 --> 01:43:33,360
he had an experience as a school child

2814
01:43:37,430 --> 01:43:35,679
and a whole lot of school children

2815
01:43:39,270 --> 01:43:37,440
saw the appearance of a ufo these are

2816
01:43:40,229 --> 01:43:39,280
indigenous school children and when he

2817
01:43:42,550 --> 01:43:40,239
was a child

2818
01:43:43,830 --> 01:43:42,560
and they were on a mission that's right

2819
01:43:45,590 --> 01:43:43,840
and um

2820
01:43:46,950 --> 01:43:45,600
i think that the priest that was running

2821
01:43:49,109 --> 01:43:46,960
the mission saw the

2822
01:43:50,149 --> 01:43:49,119
it was sounded similar to the father

2823
01:43:52,310 --> 01:43:50,159
gill encounter

2824
01:43:53,590 --> 01:43:52,320
but the kids were very frightened by the

2825
01:43:56,950 --> 01:43:53,600
appearance of this

2826
01:44:00,070 --> 01:43:56,960
um object and um yeah

2827
01:44:01,830 --> 01:44:00,080
this is a story like i don't know he was

2828
01:44:03,270 --> 01:44:01,840
using someone else's phone i don't know

2829
01:44:05,669 --> 01:44:03,280
how to get to him again

2830
01:44:07,590 --> 01:44:05,679
and i'd like to be able to travel and

2831
01:44:08,709 --> 01:44:07,600
meet him and talk to him about his story

2832
01:44:12,470 --> 01:44:08,719
but

2833
01:44:14,870 --> 01:44:12,480
you know you sometimes lose

2834
01:44:16,070 --> 01:44:14,880
lose contact with people and and stories

2835
01:44:18,870 --> 01:44:16,080
get lost which is

2836
01:44:20,709 --> 01:44:18,880
a shame but yeah it really requires

2837
01:44:22,550 --> 01:44:20,719
australia we're limited but because of

2838
01:44:24,310 --> 01:44:22,560
the physical distance and the remoteness

2839
01:44:26,470 --> 01:44:24,320
and the low population

2840
01:44:27,669 --> 01:44:26,480
uh to be able to you sort of need

2841
01:44:30,149 --> 01:44:27,679
somebody to

2842
01:44:31,189 --> 01:44:30,159
have a full-time job traveling and

2843
01:44:33,350 --> 01:44:31,199
talking to people

2844
01:44:35,030 --> 01:44:33,360
and even just to get their trust to to

2845
01:44:36,950 --> 01:44:35,040
get them to talk about it because

2846
01:44:38,229 --> 01:44:36,960
the people here the the indigenous

2847
01:44:41,109 --> 01:44:38,239
people here have been so

2848
01:44:42,390 --> 01:44:41,119
badly treated um through colonization

2849
01:44:46,470 --> 01:44:42,400
that they're not

2850
01:44:50,070 --> 01:44:46,480
um willing to you know share things

2851
01:44:50,390 --> 01:44:50,080
um which yeah i completely understand

2852
01:44:54,629 --> 01:44:50,400
that

2853
01:44:55,990 --> 01:44:54,639
through like the knolls family you know

2854
01:44:59,109 --> 01:44:56,000
don't want to talk about things again

2855
01:45:05,990 --> 01:45:02,870
a bad time of it you know yeah

2856
01:45:07,830 --> 01:45:06,000
uh anything else done no

2857
01:45:09,270 --> 01:45:07,840
does that ask your question it doesn't

2858
01:45:12,070 --> 01:45:09,280
really doesn't

2859
01:45:12,790 --> 01:45:12,080
no no that was actually i i actually did

2860
01:45:15,669 --> 01:45:12,800
learn

2861
01:45:16,950 --> 01:45:15,679
something um from that so from your

2862
01:45:19,750 --> 01:45:16,960
answer

2863
01:45:21,109 --> 01:45:19,760
um well thank you thank you i i thought

2864
01:45:23,189 --> 01:45:21,119
that was a great question

2865
01:45:25,430 --> 01:45:23,199
um so thanks a lot uh duncan thanks for

2866
01:45:28,310 --> 01:45:25,440
the call

2867
01:45:28,709 --> 01:45:28,320
bye-bye bye all right uh so the line is

2868
01:45:30,629 --> 01:45:28,719
open

2869
01:45:32,070 --> 01:45:30,639
that's eight five five four seven two

2870
01:45:35,830 --> 01:45:32,080
five four eight three

2871
01:45:37,030 --> 01:45:35,840
um now as far as the uh aborigines since

2872
01:45:40,310 --> 01:45:37,040
he brought that up

2873
01:45:44,390 --> 01:45:40,320
uh that is a uh they

2874
01:45:46,310 --> 01:45:44,400
they go way way back in australia i mean

2875
01:45:48,070 --> 01:45:46,320
uh tens of thousands of years don't they

2876
01:45:51,189 --> 01:45:48,080
i mean there's civilization there

2877
01:45:53,109 --> 01:45:51,199
uh for some

2878
01:45:54,229 --> 01:45:53,119
sixty to eighty thousand years i

2879
01:45:57,270 --> 01:45:54,239
understand

2880
01:45:59,990 --> 01:45:57,280
um and so uh they're

2881
01:46:01,910 --> 01:46:00,000
uh they're um you mentioned that there

2882
01:46:03,910 --> 01:46:01,920
are drawings so they're like uh

2883
01:46:06,070 --> 01:46:03,920
like on stones and things like that are

2884
01:46:09,189 --> 01:46:06,080
there rocks and things

2885
01:46:11,270 --> 01:46:09,199
rock paintings rock paintings so um

2886
01:46:12,790 --> 01:46:11,280
maybe this is the topic for another

2887
01:46:16,229 --> 01:46:12,800
another show but

2888
01:46:17,669 --> 01:46:16,239
um yeah there have been um particularly

2889
01:46:20,070 --> 01:46:17,679
in western australia

2890
01:46:20,790 --> 01:46:20,080
beings with very large eyes sort of

2891
01:46:24,550 --> 01:46:20,800
white

2892
01:46:27,669 --> 01:46:24,560
very reminiscent of what

2893
01:46:30,629 --> 01:46:27,679
people report having seen

2894
01:46:33,350 --> 01:46:30,639
the well say the rural children being

2895
01:46:35,750 --> 01:46:33,360
with the very large hypnotic black eyes

2896
01:46:37,830 --> 01:46:35,760
and so they talk about these as being

2897
01:46:38,950 --> 01:46:37,840
the spirit the guardian spirits of that

2898
01:46:40,310 --> 01:46:38,960
area and

2899
01:46:42,149 --> 01:46:40,320
the spirits that you have to ask

2900
01:46:44,870 --> 01:46:42,159
permission to to enter

2901
01:46:45,430 --> 01:46:44,880
an area um and the spirits that they

2902
01:46:51,510 --> 01:46:45,440
inter

2903
01:46:52,830 --> 01:46:51,520
it's another dimension it's quite

2904
01:46:56,149 --> 01:46:52,840
different to our

2905
01:46:58,870 --> 01:46:56,159
materialistic culture that we're um

2906
01:46:59,990 --> 01:46:58,880
it's a very spiritual culture and very

2907
01:47:02,950 --> 01:47:00,000
very in touch with

2908
01:47:03,990 --> 01:47:02,960
um the workings of the of the earth and

2909
01:47:06,229 --> 01:47:04,000
nature

2910
01:47:07,830 --> 01:47:06,239
um and we quite remove from that our

2911
01:47:10,070 --> 01:47:07,840
lives couldn't be more different

2912
01:47:11,350 --> 01:47:10,080
in the cities for i've heard a story

2913
01:47:13,910 --> 01:47:11,360
about how

2914
01:47:15,430 --> 01:47:13,920
the very old men um when they come into

2915
01:47:18,470 --> 01:47:15,440
the city they're very old um

2916
01:47:19,590 --> 01:47:18,480
indigenous elders they move very slowly

2917
01:47:20,870 --> 01:47:19,600
and um

2918
01:47:22,390 --> 01:47:20,880
but then what you get when you get them

2919
01:47:23,270 --> 01:47:22,400
out into the bush they move like

2920
01:47:26,790 --> 01:47:23,280
lightning

2921
01:47:28,950 --> 01:47:26,800
because they that's their um they

2922
01:47:30,550 --> 01:47:28,960
that's their natural environment and

2923
01:47:33,270 --> 01:47:30,560
they know how to

2924
01:47:34,709 --> 01:47:33,280
to get around and they feel at home

2925
01:47:35,030 --> 01:47:34,719
there whereas if they're in the city

2926
01:47:38,470 --> 01:47:35,040
it's

2927
01:47:40,870 --> 01:47:38,480
natural environment they're

2928
01:47:41,590 --> 01:47:40,880
quite different responses to their

2929
01:47:44,950 --> 01:47:41,600
environment

2930
01:47:48,229 --> 01:47:44,960
where where they are so yeah

2931
01:47:51,189 --> 01:47:48,239
it's a really fascinating fascinating

2932
01:47:52,229 --> 01:47:51,199
field to that needs to be researched

2933
01:47:54,709 --> 01:47:52,239
more

2934
01:47:56,390 --> 01:47:54,719
in many aspects not just in the ufo

2935
01:47:58,310 --> 01:47:56,400
aspect

2936
01:48:00,870 --> 01:47:58,320
right right um yeah i mean that's

2937
01:48:02,950 --> 01:48:00,880
similar to the native americans here

2938
01:48:04,149 --> 01:48:02,960
that were here there's uh the oral

2939
01:48:06,390 --> 01:48:04,159
traditions

2940
01:48:07,189 --> 01:48:06,400
from you know way back and there are

2941
01:48:08,950 --> 01:48:07,199
some you know

2942
01:48:11,030 --> 01:48:08,960
there are i've seen them in person

2943
01:48:13,910 --> 01:48:11,040
actually in california there were some

2944
01:48:14,950 --> 01:48:13,920
rock paintings um nothing that looked

2945
01:48:17,430 --> 01:48:14,960
like aliens

2946
01:48:18,629 --> 01:48:17,440
but still really fascinating to see and

2947
01:48:21,750 --> 01:48:18,639
i love

2948
01:48:23,669 --> 01:48:21,760
when you come across things like that so

2949
01:48:26,790 --> 01:48:23,679
we have about seven minutes left

2950
01:48:28,070 --> 01:48:26,800
to this show and uh we will take one

2951
01:48:30,470 --> 01:48:28,080
more call if you'd like to call in

2952
01:48:33,590 --> 01:48:30,480
that's eight five five four seven two

2953
01:48:36,790 --> 01:48:33,600
five four eight three um you're

2954
01:48:38,310 --> 01:48:36,800
the uh victorian ufo action let's talk

2955
01:48:42,709 --> 01:48:38,320
just a little bit about that

2956
01:48:45,109 --> 01:48:42,719
um that is that set up where someone

2957
01:48:46,870 --> 01:48:45,119
can find that easily online and uh of

2958
01:48:47,669 --> 01:48:46,880
course i put up the wrong website where

2959
01:48:50,310 --> 01:48:47,679
i did

2960
01:48:52,790 --> 01:48:50,320
and uh and how do they is that a place

2961
01:48:56,790 --> 01:48:52,800
where people can report

2962
01:48:59,030 --> 01:48:56,800
they certainly can um it's vufoa.net

2963
01:49:00,390 --> 01:48:59,040
that's our current website the old one

2964
01:49:01,189 --> 01:49:00,400
has been left up because there's a lot

2965
01:49:04,470 --> 01:49:01,199
of um

2966
01:49:07,270 --> 01:49:04,480
historical information and videos on it

2967
01:49:08,870 --> 01:49:07,280
um we will probably eventually bring

2968
01:49:10,470 --> 01:49:08,880
that one down but people

2969
01:49:12,390 --> 01:49:10,480
might still want to look at some things

2970
01:49:14,070 --> 01:49:12,400
that are on there andrew and ben did

2971
01:49:15,510 --> 01:49:14,080
some quite informative videos and

2972
01:49:19,990 --> 01:49:15,520
interviews with people

2973
01:49:22,470 --> 01:49:20,000
um so yeah we

2974
01:49:23,589 --> 01:49:22,480
are pretty much focused on being a point

2975
01:49:28,070 --> 01:49:23,599
of contact for

2976
01:49:30,709 --> 01:49:28,080
if somebody wants to express um

2977
01:49:31,189 --> 01:49:30,719
or relay an experience that they've had

2978
01:49:34,470 --> 01:49:31,199
and they

2979
01:49:37,750 --> 01:49:34,480
don't know where else to report it

2980
01:49:38,390 --> 01:49:37,760
and also we try to um bring people over

2981
01:49:41,990 --> 01:49:38,400
from

2982
01:49:46,149 --> 01:49:42,000
particular but wherever whoever

2983
01:49:50,709 --> 01:49:46,159
wants to make the trick over

2984
01:49:54,070 --> 01:49:50,719
so that they can answer me

2985
01:49:57,109 --> 01:49:54,080
i want to go i want to go sorry

2986
01:49:59,189 --> 01:49:57,119
i'm not a researcher anybody who wants

2987
01:50:02,550 --> 01:49:59,199
to share their information i'm sure

2988
01:50:04,790 --> 01:50:02,560
people will be wanting to listen so

2989
01:50:06,870 --> 01:50:04,800
yeah we sort of stuck on the other side

2990
01:50:08,229 --> 01:50:06,880
of the earth and we're pretty isolated

2991
01:50:10,070 --> 01:50:08,239
geographically from the rest of the

2992
01:50:13,350 --> 01:50:10,080
world so we are very curious

2993
01:50:15,189 --> 01:50:13,360
about and try and connect um as much as

2994
01:50:16,390 --> 01:50:15,199
we can to find out what's going on in

2995
01:50:19,270 --> 01:50:16,400
this realm

2996
01:50:20,950 --> 01:50:19,280
so yeah we brought over don schmidt um

2997
01:50:24,950 --> 01:50:20,960
so he spoke to us

2998
01:50:25,750 --> 01:50:24,960
yeah um of course james fox he gave a

2999
01:50:28,870 --> 01:50:25,760
great talk

3000
01:50:31,830 --> 01:50:28,880
um to us um there's

3001
01:50:32,470 --> 01:50:31,840
a constant interest in the westerl case

3002
01:50:38,550 --> 01:50:32,480
um

3003
01:50:40,070 --> 01:50:38,560
hard going to make an event more than

3004
01:50:42,149 --> 01:50:40,080
once a year but we did have an online

3005
01:50:42,870 --> 01:50:42,159
link up we had um coronavirus lockdown

3006
01:50:45,430 --> 01:50:42,880
and we had

3007
01:50:47,750 --> 01:50:45,440
a great response to a little meet up to

3008
01:50:49,750 --> 01:50:47,760
talk about local cases

3009
01:50:50,790 --> 01:50:49,760
and when you walked when you locked down

3010
01:50:52,790 --> 01:50:50,800
there

3011
01:50:54,149 --> 01:50:52,800
unfortunately you know it's it's really

3012
01:50:54,790 --> 01:50:54,159
rough here in the united states right

3013
01:50:57,189 --> 01:50:54,800
now and i

3014
01:50:58,790 --> 01:50:57,199
i am a place where people like to go

3015
01:51:00,870 --> 01:50:58,800
where they can forget about that for

3016
01:51:01,830 --> 01:51:00,880
for a little while i don't want to focus

3017
01:51:05,030 --> 01:51:01,840
on that but

3018
01:51:08,629 --> 01:51:05,040
australia's done a wonderful job

3019
01:51:11,669 --> 01:51:08,639
it with i mean it's it's night and day

3020
01:51:13,669 --> 01:51:11,679
and we're not allowed there if

3021
01:51:15,350 --> 01:51:13,679
i wanted to fly there you'd probably

3022
01:51:16,709 --> 01:51:15,360
wrap me in plastic and put me in a room

3023
01:51:19,030 --> 01:51:16,719
for 14 days or something

3024
01:51:20,790 --> 01:51:19,040
14 days you won't be allowed for a long

3025
01:51:24,470 --> 01:51:20,800
time i think because of

3026
01:51:25,030 --> 01:51:24,480
what's going on so we just got a couple

3027
01:51:31,270 --> 01:51:25,040
minutes

3028
01:51:32,790 --> 01:51:31,280
forgot to ask you did you enjoy the

3029
01:51:34,070 --> 01:51:32,800
united states because you took quite a

3030
01:51:36,390 --> 01:51:34,080
trek when you were here

3031
01:51:37,750 --> 01:51:36,400
you went to socorro like you said we

3032
01:51:41,750 --> 01:51:37,760
went to socorro we

3033
01:51:45,109 --> 01:51:41,760
we spent four hours on the roswell field

3034
01:51:47,189 --> 01:51:45,119
i think the guys got directions from

3035
01:51:48,709 --> 01:51:47,199
uh what's his name the guy from ancient

3036
01:51:51,109 --> 01:51:48,719
aliens um

3037
01:51:52,390 --> 01:51:51,119
he got one set of directions from chuck

3038
01:51:55,510 --> 01:51:52,400
and another set from don

3039
01:51:58,629 --> 01:51:55,520
and we got confused and we missed a gate

3040
01:52:03,030 --> 01:51:58,639
are you talking about david childress no

3041
01:52:07,589 --> 01:52:03,040
um what was his first name

3042
01:52:11,589 --> 01:52:09,430
chikawski or something like that yeah

3043
01:52:12,709 --> 01:52:11,599
yeah so he was a great guy we met him

3044
01:52:17,030 --> 01:52:12,719
and he

3045
01:52:18,149 --> 01:52:17,040
um he gave us directions is the best way

3046
01:52:19,669 --> 01:52:18,159
to get there because it's quite in the

3047
01:52:20,709 --> 01:52:19,679
middle of nowhere and quite remote and

3048
01:52:24,149 --> 01:52:20,719
not easy to get to

3049
01:52:25,030 --> 01:52:24,159
so we spent a long time on the roswell

3050
01:52:28,070 --> 01:52:25,040
field so we're

3051
01:52:29,270 --> 01:52:28,080
very familiar with very familiar with

3052
01:52:32,390 --> 01:52:29,280
the ross world

3053
01:52:33,990 --> 01:52:32,400
where it happened um we visited mark um

3054
01:52:36,470 --> 01:52:34,000
brazil's grave as well

3055
01:52:38,149 --> 01:52:36,480
that was quite interesting to see where

3056
01:52:41,030 --> 01:52:38,159
he was laid to rest

3057
01:52:43,430 --> 01:52:41,040
um we went to socorro and looked at

3058
01:52:47,510 --> 01:52:43,440
where lonnie zamora

3059
01:52:48,870 --> 01:52:47,520
saw his beings um

3060
01:52:51,189 --> 01:52:48,880
did you go all the way to northern

3061
01:52:54,629 --> 01:52:51,199
california too oh i went to

3062
01:52:57,589 --> 01:52:54,639
visit james fox yeah and um met

3063
01:52:58,870 --> 01:52:57,599
um walter merch jr who did the sound on

3064
01:53:02,790 --> 01:52:58,880
the phenomenon

3065
01:53:04,950 --> 01:53:02,800
we stayed in his um um place

3066
01:53:06,229 --> 01:53:04,960
and uh we had dinner with james and

3067
01:53:09,270 --> 01:53:06,239
rebecca and

3068
01:53:11,030 --> 01:53:09,280
me ollie again and um yeah

3069
01:53:12,709 --> 01:53:11,040
we had a we had a great time we got to

3070
01:53:14,470 --> 01:53:12,719
see where the phenomenon was being

3071
01:53:15,669 --> 01:53:14,480
edited we got to visit the edit stream

3072
01:53:19,030 --> 01:53:15,679
oh the shack

3073
01:53:22,310 --> 01:53:19,040
yeah this show hey we're out of time

3074
01:53:24,709 --> 01:53:22,320
um irene thank you so much my pleasure

3075
01:53:25,669 --> 01:53:24,719
thank you for having me on yes it was a

3076
01:53:28,550 --> 01:53:25,679
lot of fun

3077
01:53:29,830 --> 01:53:28,560
and we'll talk to you soon okay thanks

3078
01:53:34,070 --> 01:53:29,840
all right

3079
01:53:34,870 --> 01:53:34,080
our show this evening next week as i

3080
01:53:37,430 --> 01:53:34,880
mentioned we have

3081
01:53:38,310 --> 01:53:37,440
whitley strieber on so uh that should be

3082
01:53:40,870 --> 01:53:38,320
an interesting

3083
01:53:41,350 --> 01:53:40,880
show and i want to thank you all very

3084
01:53:44,470 --> 01:53:41,360
much

3085
01:53:45,430 --> 01:53:44,480
for joining us tonight and remember to

3086
01:53:56,700 --> 01:53:45,440
keep your eyes